Aimpoint scopes?

dinkydow · 02-02-2012, 11:16 AM

Anyone have any experience with Aimpoint 4 MOA CompML2 Sight? Or, Aimpoints in General? I am considering one for my MP5.

ErikD · 02-03-2012, 05:06 AM

I have some experience with Aimpoints CompM4 and CompM4s. And own a couple. They are excellent red dot sights, and built to withstand just about anything you can imagine. With one AA battery the battery lifetime is 8 year switched on! The dot has visible and night vision settings, and it is waterproof to 150 ft. The temp range is -50F to +160F. So that should cover most places you might bother to visit.

They are a bit heavy though at 350 grams including the mount.

Which is why a lot of police and military are moving to the Aimpoint Micro T1. It does pretty much what the larger CompM4 does, in a small/light package. Ok, the battery life is a bit less at 5 years instead of 8, but does that really matter? It also can not be submerged below 80 ft, but I doubt that is a problem for most people.

The CompML2 is a great sight too, but it is their older technology so it needs new batteries every year. I think it came out about 12 years ago.

One thing is for sure, just about all testing I have heard of proves that Aimpoint beats Eotech in reliablity and longevity. Their customer service if anything should go wrong is also known to beat Eotech.

rockit · 02-03-2012, 08:28 PM

I just ordered a PRO model a few minutes ago. My first Aimpoint. Been looking for a while. It is inexpensive enough to fit into my cheapness category.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...fle-optic.html

TinmanIA · 02-03-2012, 10:08 PM

I agree with EricD I had the M4 on my AR, and the M2 still rides the Galil, there great sights.

baboon · 02-04-2012, 05:27 AM

I had a comp 2 on another gun, now have the comp 4 on my .300 Whisper. I went with the Zeiss Z-Point on my MP5K. I could be wrong, but think it smaller & lighter the even a mini Aimpoint. Price was very good IMHO.

Pogo · 02-04-2012, 08:15 AM

I have a Aimpoint CompM3M 2 MOA - w/ A.R.M.S. 22M68 Mount on my Bushmaster.

Bluedog · 02-04-2012, 09:25 AM

They are excellent sites, and you can almost treat it as a non-powered site because the battery life allows you to just leave it on and not worry about it. I got rid of mine for two reasons. First, the dot was to too large, but I was using mine on a rifle. Should not matter on and MP5.

Second, and this probably will matter to you, unless your cheek is on the stock, and you have a fairly consistent cheek weld, that dot can be hard to find. In one situation, a night shooting carbine course, I had to shoot around barricades from a position of almost total darkness, towards a partially illuminated target. I could not pick up the dot for for several seconds, and was frantically wiggling my rifle around, trying to find the right angle to pick up the dot. You can't see it unless you are looking straight into the tube, and if you cant see the tube, or are shooting in an unusual position, that can be a lot harder than people imagine. Since you might shoot the MP5 with the stock closed, I can see this slowing you down.

I switched to an Eotech. It doesn't have the batter life, but you can easily see the reticule in any position, from any angle. Its much faster than the Aimpoint for this reason.

GARANDNUT · 02-04-2012, 12:49 PM

I have two CompML2 4 moas. one on my AR and one on my 74. They are fantastic scopes. The batteries last forever. My 74 has had the same batteries in it for 11 years and they still work. The dot is bright even in the brightest sun light or if it is dark it dials down to a tiny pin point. They are easy to sight in and they hold zero. The way they, mount even if the dot is not working you can look through the scope and still use the iron sights. The 74 mount is an ulitmak and my AR is a try-lock.

Pogo · 02-04-2012, 03:51 PM

Mine is 2 MOA. I'd say it's appropriate for the type of rifle it is. If you were in competition target shooting you may want something with 1 MOA. There is a tradeoff. The larger dot means faster/easier target acquisition and the smaller dot means better pinpoint target shooting.

I've noticed no difficulty in seeing the red dot. Maybe I've fired that type rifle long enough that I have a consistent cheek weld. It's just like learning to hold the rifle for iron sights. When I put my cheek on the buttstock I'm looking directly through the red dot.

It's really important to put the correct spacer underneath the Aimpoint so that it will be mounted at the correct height. Mine will co-witness with my fold down front and rear BUIS (Back Up Iron Sights). Also, I carry a spare battery for my Aimpoint in the optional extended cap. When I bought my Aimpoint I got the extended cap and a spare battery for free.

As Garandnut said, if something should happen to the red dot sight, I can flip up my iron sights and continue firing.

dinkydow · 02-05-2012, 01:04 PM

Hmmm... I had considered it for and ordered it for MP-5 use... But after reading the posts here...It sounds almost like overkill. Perhaps a less exotic and less sophisticated sighting system is indicated for them. Suggestions?

I expect the Aimpoint ML2 would crown a Russian AK74SU quite well...

I tend to think of the Aimpoint ML2 as a close quarters combat sight...thus was going to mount it on a SBR, MP5.

Now I am not sure....I just know a lot of folks seem to be Aimpont fans....

ErikD · 02-05-2012, 01:57 PM

For your MP5, the Aimpoint Micro T1.

AKWARRIOR · 02-05-2012, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogo

I have a Aimpoint CompM3M 2 MOA - w/ A.R.M.S. 22M68 Mount on my Bushmaster.

+1

Have the same and used them in the Army as well.Like em a lot better then the EOTECH reticles.

baboon · 02-06-2012, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErikD

For your MP5, the Aimpoint Micro T1.

Zeiss Z-point is German, smaller & just a bit cheaper in price. Quality is still up to Zeiss's name.

ErikD · 02-06-2012, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baboon

Zeiss Z-point is German, smaller & just a bit cheaper in price. Quality is still up to Zeiss's name.

Aimpoint Micro T1 is Swedish, is smaller and lighter, can take more of a beating, yes it is slightly more expensive in price, and quality is still up to Aimpoint's name.

500grains · 02-06-2012, 11:10 AM

I have owned an Aimpoint M3 and an Aimpoint M4. Both were top quality. Personally I prefer the Eotech because I find the reticle faster to get on target at close range, although it's battery life is not so great.

02-02-2012, 11:16 AM	#1
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02-03-2012, 05:06 AM	#2
ErikD Mzungu Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the land of socialist nepotism and corruption. Posts: 6,340	I have some experience with Aimpoints CompM4 and CompM4s. And own a couple. They are excellent red dot sights, and built to withstand just about anything you can imagine. With one AA battery the battery lifetime is 8 year switched on! The dot has visible and night vision settings, and it is waterproof to 150 ft. The temp range is -50F to +160F. So that should cover most places you might bother to visit. They are a bit heavy though at 350 grams including the mount. Which is why a lot of police and military are moving to the Aimpoint Micro T1. It does pretty much what the larger CompM4 does, in a small/light package. Ok, the battery life is a bit less at 5 years instead of 8, but does that really matter? It also can not be submerged below 80 ft, but I doubt that is a problem for most people. The CompML2 is a great sight too, but it is their older technology so it needs new batteries every year. I think it came out about 12 years ago. One thing is for sure, just about all testing I have heard of proves that Aimpoint beats Eotech in reliablity and longevity. Their customer service if anything should go wrong is also known to beat Eotech. __________________ ------------------------------------------- Cut along dotted line, discard top part.

02-03-2012, 08:28 PM	#3
rockit Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 367	I just ordered a PRO model a few minutes ago. My first Aimpoint. Been looking for a while. It is inexpensive enough to fit into my cheapness category. http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...fle-optic.html __________________ III

02-03-2012, 10:08 PM	#4
TinmanIA Demon of the Midwest Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: In a room with no windows. Posts: 4,118	I agree with EricD I had the M4 on my AR, and the M2 still rides the Galil, there great sights. __________________ Don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back. 3% Throw Me To the Wolves, I Will Come Back Leading The Pack

02-04-2012, 08:15 AM	#6
Pogo Mystic Knight of the Sea Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great Swamp Posts: 81,969	I have a Aimpoint CompM3M 2 MOA - w/ A.R.M.S. 22M68 Mount on my Bushmaster. __________________ .................................................. ....................................… *We have met the enemy, and he is us!*

02-04-2012, 05:27 AM	#5
baboon slug Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Out by the lake in central Texas Posts: 18,307	I had a comp 2 on another gun, now have the comp 4 on my .300 Whisper. I went with the Zeiss Z-Point on my MP5K. I could be wrong, but think it smaller & lighter the even a mini Aimpoint. Price was very good IMHO.

02-04-2012, 09:25 AM	#7
Bluedog Junior Member my ass! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 497	They are excellent sites, and you can almost treat it as a non-powered site because the battery life allows you to just leave it on and not worry about it. I got rid of mine for two reasons. First, the dot was to too large, but I was using mine on a rifle. Should not matter on and MP5. Second, and this probably will matter to you, unless your cheek is on the stock, and you have a fairly consistent cheek weld, that dot can be hard to find. In one situation, a night shooting carbine course, I had to shoot around barricades from a position of almost total darkness, towards a partially illuminated target. I could not pick up the dot for for several seconds, and was frantically wiggling my rifle around, trying to find the right angle to pick up the dot. You can't see it unless you are looking straight into the tube, and if you cant see the tube, or are shooting in an unusual position, that can be a lot harder than people imagine. Since you might shoot the MP5 with the stock closed, I can see this slowing you down. I switched to an Eotech. It doesn't have the batter life, but you can easily see the reticule in any position, from any angle. Its much faster than the Aimpoint for this reason.

02-04-2012, 12:49 PM	#8
GARANDNUT Pontificator Maximus Join Date: May 2006 Location: between the hills Posts: 8,728	I have two CompML2 4 moas. one on my AR and one on my 74. They are fantastic scopes. The batteries last forever. My 74 has had the same batteries in it for 11 years and they still work. The dot is bright even in the brightest sun light or if it is dark it dials down to a tiny pin point. They are easy to sight in and they hold zero. The way they, mount even if the dot is not working you can look through the scope and still use the iron sights. The 74 mount is an ulitmak and my AR is a try-lock.

02-04-2012, 03:51 PM	#9
Pogo Mystic Knight of the Sea Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great Swamp Posts: 81,969	Mine is 2 MOA. I'd say it's appropriate for the type of rifle it is. If you were in competition target shooting you may want something with 1 MOA. There is a tradeoff. The larger dot means faster/easier target acquisition and the smaller dot means better pinpoint target shooting. I've noticed no difficulty in seeing the red dot. Maybe I've fired that type rifle long enough that I have a consistent cheek weld. It's just like learning to hold the rifle for iron sights. When I put my cheek on the buttstock I'm looking directly through the red dot. It's really important to put the correct spacer underneath the Aimpoint so that it will be mounted at the correct height. Mine will co-witness with my fold down front and rear BUIS (Back Up Iron Sights). Also, I carry a spare battery for my Aimpoint in the optional extended cap. When I bought my Aimpoint I got the extended cap and a spare battery for free. As Garandnut said, if something should happen to the red dot sight, I can flip up my iron sights and continue firing.

02-05-2012, 01:04 PM	#10
dinkydow Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great White North Posts: 96,469	Hmmm... I had considered it for and ordered it for MP-5 use... But after reading the posts here...It sounds almost like overkill. Perhaps a less exotic and less sophisticated sighting system is indicated for them. Suggestions? I expect the Aimpoint ML2 would crown a Russian AK74SU quite well... I tend to think of the Aimpoint ML2 as a close quarters combat sight...thus was going to mount it on a SBR, MP5. Now I am not sure....I just know a lot of folks seem to be Aimpont fans....

02-05-2012, 01:57 PM	#11
ErikD Mzungu Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the land of socialist nepotism and corruption. Posts: 6,340	For your MP5, the Aimpoint Micro T1.

02-06-2012, 11:10 AM	#15
500grains Soldier of Allah Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Crackerland Posts: 31,662	I have owned an Aimpoint M3 and an Aimpoint M4. Both were top quality. Personally I prefer the Eotech because I find the reticle faster to get on target at close range, although it's battery life is not so great.