Russia To Replace Aging Makarov Pistol

MrKalashnikov · 01-08-2019, 05:12 PM

I can't believe it's taken this long for the Russians to get around to replacing their dog of a military pistol. It's always been too clunky and heavy for the anemic round it fires, 9MM Makarov, which is ballistically similar to .380 ACP.

https://www.rt.com/russia/448153-rus...stol-udav-boa/

They would have been better off keeping the 7.62 Tokarev imo in inventory in the first place. More compact and fires the hard-hitting bottleneck 7.62 cartridge.

I guess the main advantage of this Udav new pistol is it's hi-cap magazine.

Rick-a-Roo · 01-11-2019, 01:03 AM

First pistol I ever bought was a Russian (Baikal) Makarov with those awful adjustable
sights. Later had three or four E. German made pistols with fixed sights - very well made
and finished. Reliable, fun to shoot, but not much of a defensive round IMO. Some minor
regrets at letting 'em go one buy one, but am much happier with U.S. made pistols with a
larger hole in the barrel.

MrKalashnikov · 01-11-2019, 09:22 AM

I had one of those Baikal Russki Maks as well. It was pretty well made and reasonably accurate but too heavy for the light round it fires. I sold it several years ago and replaced it with a Yugo-made Tokarev. A much better CCW pistol with a harder hitting round imo.

And yes, the USA makes some very fine handguns, both autos & revolvers.

thefundamentalist · 01-11-2019, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MrKalashnikov

I had one of those Baikal Russki Maks as well. It was pretty well made and reasonably accurate but too heavy for the light round it fires. I sold it several years ago and replaced it with a Yugo-made Tokarev. A much better CCW pistol with a harder hitting round imo.

And yes, the USA makes some very fine handguns, both autos & revolvers.

I like the Tokarev, too.

Rick-a-Roo · 01-11-2019, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thefundamentalist

I like the Tokarev, too.

Funnily enough...or maybe, perversely...I just bought a Yugo-made Tokarev as
well. Impulse buy, and haven't shot it yet. Always understood that it
chambered a hot round.

belt-fed · 01-11-2019, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick-a-Roo

Funnily enough...or maybe, perversely...I just bought a Yugo-made Tokarev as
well. Impulse buy, and haven't shot it yet. Always understood that it
chambered a hot round.

I have one of those in 7.62x25 hot little round fun too shoot

MrKalashnikov · 01-11-2019, 11:11 PM

When I shoot my Tok at indoor ranges some people think it's a .357 Mag being set off. Very large muzzle flash & report. The military Eastbloc ammo was loaded HOT for that little bullet. Lately I've been running Romanian surplus ammo through it...BANG! every time.

4thIDvet · 01-12-2019, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick-a-Roo

Funnily enough...or maybe, perversely...I just bought a Yugo-made Tokarev as
well. Impulse buy, and haven't shot it yet. Always understood that it
chambered a hot round.

A friend had one and in his yard we put a few rounds into an old door that was sitting about with his Tokarev. Pretty impressive it blew the whole center of the door out so as you could just about walk through it.

thefundamentalist · 01-12-2019, 02:13 PM

If you want to reduce the BOOM and recoil a little bit then shoot some 7.63x25 Mauser ammo in your Tok. The metallurgy of the broomhandle Mausers was a bit weak, so they loaded the ammo lighter. It's about 300 FPS slower than typical Tok ammo, yet still cycles fine in my Romy.

Of course the compensator I got helps, too.
https://gunpartswarehouse.com/pistol...7-62x25mm.html

thefundamentalist · 01-12-2019, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrKalashnikov

When I shoot my Tok at indoor ranges some people think it's a .357 Mag being set off. Very large muzzle flash & report. The military Eastbloc ammo was loaded HOT for that little bullet. Lately I've been running Romanian surplus ammo through it...BANG! every time.

The Romy ammo is great, especially when it was available at 9 cents a round.

The Polish seems to be even hotter. Some websites list it at 1600 FPS. I've avoided the current lots of Bulgarian, as I think the case splits and iffyness on the powder make it highly questionable in my hands.

I read on an ammo website that the 7.62 Tok was the highest velocity pistol cartridge available until the .357 Magnum came out. So, peoples comparison to the Mag round are understandable.

MrKalashnikov · 01-13-2019, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefundamentalist

I read on an ammo website that the 7.62 Tok was the highest velocity pistol cartridge available until the .357 Magnum came out. So, peoples comparison to the Mag round are understandable.

High velocity enough to penetrate many body armors on the market even today.

thefundamentalist · 01-14-2019, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrKalashnikov

High velocity enough to penetrate many body armors on the market even today.

Yes sir!

You can't hide from a Tokarev!

remus · 01-24-2019, 10:27 AM

I've never owned a Mac, but I have a Tok. I like the Tok but for the trigger. Really a heavy stiff trigger on mine. Powerful pistol cartridge that was designed for the pps 41 subgun.

01-08-2019, 05:12 PM	#1
MrKalashnikov Deplorable Join Date: May 2008 Location: Behind The Iron Curtain Posts: 8,055	Russia To Replace Aging Makarov Pistol I can't believe it's taken this long for the Russians to get around to replacing their dog of a military pistol. It's always been too clunky and heavy for the anemic round it fires, 9MM Makarov, which is ballistically similar to .380 ACP. https://www.rt.com/russia/448153-rus...stol-udav-boa/ They would have been better off keeping the 7.62 Tokarev imo in inventory in the first place. More compact and fires the hard-hitting bottleneck 7.62 cartridge. I guess the main advantage of this Udav new pistol is it's hi-cap magazine.

01-11-2019, 01:03 AM	#2
Rick-a-Roo Gaw' Blimey Limey Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Round behind the sleazy bars of Telephone Road Posts: 25,878	First pistol I ever bought was a Russian (Baikal) Makarov with those awful adjustable sights. Later had three or four E. German made pistols with fixed sights - very well made and finished. Reliable, fun to shoot, but not much of a defensive round IMO. Some minor regrets at letting 'em go one buy one, but am much happier with U.S. made pistols with a larger hole in the barrel. __________________ zulu6 out

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01-11-2019, 09:22 AM	#3
MrKalashnikov Deplorable Join Date: May 2008 Location: Behind The Iron Curtain Posts: 8,055	I had one of those Baikal Russki Maks as well. It was pretty well made and reasonably accurate but too heavy for the light round it fires. I sold it several years ago and replaced it with a Yugo-made Tokarev. A much better CCW pistol with a harder hitting round imo. And yes, the USA makes some very fine handguns, both autos & revolvers.

01-11-2019, 11:11 PM	#7
MrKalashnikov Deplorable Join Date: May 2008 Location: Behind The Iron Curtain Posts: 8,055	When I shoot my Tok at indoor ranges some people think it's a .357 Mag being set off. Very large muzzle flash & report. The military Eastbloc ammo was loaded HOT for that little bullet. Lately I've been running Romanian surplus ammo through it...BANG! every time.

01-12-2019, 02:13 PM	#9
thefundamentalist Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,887	If you want to reduce the BOOM and recoil a little bit then shoot some 7.63x25 Mauser ammo in your Tok. The metallurgy of the broomhandle Mausers was a bit weak, so they loaded the ammo lighter. It's about 300 FPS slower than typical Tok ammo, yet still cycles fine in my Romy. Of course the compensator I got helps, too. https://gunpartswarehouse.com/pistol...7-62x25mm.html

01-24-2019, 10:27 AM	#13
remus Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: az Posts: 3,490	I've never owned a Mac, but I have a Tok. I like the Tok but for the trigger. Really a heavy stiff trigger on mine. Powerful pistol cartridge that was designed for the pps 41 subgun.