Army quits tests after competing rifle outperforms M4A1 carbine

Sanders · 08-21-2014, 02:48 PM

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A competing rifle outperformed the Army’s favored M4A1 carbine in key firings during a competition last year before the service abruptly called off the tests and stuck with its gun, according to a new confidential report.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...form/?page=all

Gus · 08-21-2014, 04:18 PM

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Army quits tests after competing rifle outperforms M4A1 carbine

Ranking military has a vested interest in M4A1 carbine.

or

Elite politicians have a vested interest in M4A1 carbine.

or

Both the above.

10 Bears · 08-21-2014, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus

Ranking military has a vested interest in M4A1 carbine.

or

Elite politicians have a vested interest in M4A1 carbine.

or

Both the above.

Yep, I go for BOTH!!!
Fiscal corruption is alive and well, in America.

baboon · 08-21-2014, 09:26 PM

So what gun is it? H&K 416 comes to mind.

RetVet · 08-22-2014, 06:38 AM

It's always been about money and whose district is going to reap the cash.

44044 · 08-22-2014, 07:00 AM

Money talks...

The taxpayer walks

10 Bears · 08-22-2014, 08:25 AM

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The Army also changed manufacturers last year. FN Manufacturing in South Carolina won a competition with Remington Arms Co. and Colt Defense, the longtime M4 maker, to make the M4A1.

Well, there's one possible answer.

baboon · 08-22-2014, 08:29 AM

IIRC FN has been building M-16 in North Carolina since the early 80's. Not hard to figure out that Colt's & Remington both being in Union controlled areas cannot build them as cheap as FN.

4thIDvet · 08-22-2014, 10:43 AM

Follow the money $$$$$$$$$. With Vietnam expanding the U.S. Military needed, or wanted, a new weapon for close quarters combat in the jungles. This to keep up with the AK-47.
Enter Colt Hartford Connecticut. 3 or 4 competitors were introduced for testing. Who won according to the Troops doing the testing? Stoners entry hands down won, not even a close second were the others.
What to do to sell your weapons that was failing the tests? Simple, start mass production, get the political scum in your pocket $$ and they will take them. I was in Connecticut following this crap, then issued one by the Govt.
Was my M-16 o.k.? Yes, was the Stoner better? Yes. Follow the money.
ADD: Special Ops Troops almost exclusively used the Stoners. Look at picts of the times and you will see either Stoners or AKs their holding. Stoner took out the M-16s faults and created and improved good working design weapon.

kostner · 08-22-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 Bears

Yep, I go for BOTH!!!
Fiscal corruption is alive and well, in America.

+1 We are so screwed and will never see the country we were born in again.
Sure help getting that pesty bible with the ten comandments out of our schools
making our youth feel guilty and shit.

10 Bears · 08-22-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kostner

+1 We are so screwed and will never see the country we were born in again.
Sure help getting that pesty bible with the ten comandments out of our schools
making our youth feel guilty and shit.

08-22-2014, 06:38 AM	#5
RetVet Statistical Error Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Homeless Posts: 43,654	It's always been about money and whose district is going to reap the cash. __________________ ^^^ For entertainment purposes. Use only as directed. ^^^ III

08-22-2014, 10:43 AM	#9
4thIDvet slug Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Astor Florida Posts: 48,412	Follow the money $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow the money $$$$$$$$$. With Vietnam expanding the U.S. Military needed, or wanted, a new weapon for close quarters combat in the jungles. This to keep up with the AK-47. Enter Colt Hartford Connecticut. 3 or 4 competitors were introduced for testing. Who won according to the Troops doing the testing? Stoners entry hands down won, not even a close second were the others. What to do to sell your weapons that was failing the tests? Simple, start mass production, get the political scum in your pocket $$ and they will take them. I was in Connecticut following this crap, then issued one by the Govt. Was my M-16 o.k.? Yes, was the Stoner better? Yes. Follow the money. ADD: Special Ops Troops almost exclusively used the Stoners. Look at picts of the times and you will see either Stoners or AKs their holding. Stoner took out the M-16s faults and created and improved good working design weapon. __________________ God Bless Americas Veterans. All who are serving and have served.

08-21-2014, 09:26 PM	#4
baboon slug Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Out by the lake in central Texas Posts: 18,307	So what gun is it? H&K 416 comes to mind.

08-22-2014, 07:00 AM	#6
44044 slug Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: swampeastmissouri Posts: 50,933	Money talks... The taxpayer walks

08-22-2014, 08:29 AM	#8
baboon slug Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Out by the lake in central Texas Posts: 18,307	IIRC FN has been building M-16 in North Carolina since the early 80's. Not hard to figure out that Colt's & Remington both being in Union controlled areas cannot build them as cheap as FN.