Most accurate round for....

Moon · 04-23-2006, 04:35 PM

.22-250, in Remington 700 VS. Has thick, 26" heavy barrel, heavy synthetic stock. Leupold rings, complemented with VariX-III riflescope. I'm aware that this is not a competition rifle, but I've gone through the expense of providing a good rifle, good scope/mounts, bisexual-pod. I'm having a little trouble with finding the most-perfect round of ammunition. This rifle has made some truly amazing shots before, but I've missed a few too, which pisses me off

I've been dicking around with different types of ammo, but haven't had much luck at all. The crappy wal-mart white-box "blaster-pack" seems to do just as well as the $20 box of Federal Premiums (at 100y, they get a little crappier at 200y). I was completely blown away by this ! Can anyone give me some insight here ? Anyone have experience with shooting .22-250 out of this type of rifle ?

partssman · 04-23-2006, 04:47 PM

maybe 19 will be able to help you out 'shner

Moon · 04-23-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by partssman

maybe 19 will be able to help you out 'shner

Hopefully. Out of all the homiez here, he seems to know the most about this type of subject, specifically .22-250Rem. He mentioned making a "500" shot, I'm secretly wondering if he meant 500y or 500m. If it's 500y, I need to take a lesson !

I'm kinda hopin' ol' Cephus will chime in here too.

Pogo · 04-23-2006, 05:33 PM

I'm wondering if you might have a defective scope. Leupolds are first rate scopes, but any manufacturer can have the occasional defective product. You should be getting very tight shot groups at 200 yards with that rig.

Moon · 04-23-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pogo

I'm wondering if you might have a defective scope. Leupolds are first rate scopes, but any manufacturer can have the occasional defective product. You should be getting very tight shot groups at 200 yards with that rig.

Could be, I hadn't really considered that possibility. At 100y, one bullet goes through the paper, and the following two usually go right through the first hole. At 200y, things get a little crappier. I've had 3-shot groups as small as a quarter, but I've had 'em as big as a baseball too.

Gus · 04-23-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonShiner

.22-250, in Remington 700 VS. Has thick, 26" heavy barrel, heavy synthetic stock. Leupold rings, complemented with VariX-III riflescope.:

Moon I shot many years with a fella with the same rifle, barrel and caliber. He shot that rifle so good it was disgusting as we used to compete and I was using my Winchester 30-06 and didn't have a prayer. I sent him an e-mail to get his specifications on the loads he uses and will post it for you as soon as I receive it. As I recall his scope 4X16X? I can’t remember the manufacture.

Moon · 04-23-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GusB

Moon I shot many years with a fella with the same rifle, barrel and caliber. As I recall his scope 4X16X? I can’t remember the manufacture.

The VariX-III is 4.5x by 16x magnifications. I keep hearing people tell me "God damn, dude... you ought to be picking flies off with that thing". Everyone that sees it (that knows what the hell it is) drools a little when they look at it. When I shoot at the range, I try to take the "shooter-error" element out as much as possible by using the bisexual-pod and putting sandbags under the shoulder-pad of the stock. I still brace up real good against the rifle, but I'm not actually steadying it, gravity is. Would anyone recommend a rapid-lock device ?

9teen11 · 04-23-2006, 07:09 PM

Ive used various powders but always used a sierra 52gn bthp. They were the ants pants in both my rifles. M77 ruger & a Remington 700.

The mates that shoot that round in comp at the longer ranges (500yds) use the match king proj of the same spec & they go through all the basics even down to matching their brass according to volume & weighing & batching their projectiles so that everything is ultra consistent. Ive always found that any extra effort in making ammo consistenct reflects in group size so its well worth the effort.

They never use factory ammo in comp. Its made for everyone & no one at the same time. Got to find something that is perfect for your stick & go with that.

partssman · 04-23-2006, 07:13 PM

told ya he'd know

9teen11 · 04-23-2006, 07:31 PM

Mind you, your shooting sub MOA groups there & that what you want. I consider a 200 yd group the size of a quarter pretty tight from a non target rifle. Personally, Id be happy with that because all the game I shoot have heads bigger than a quarter.

Ive noticed that wind & heat mirage start to have effect from 200. That stuff has to be mastered for the longer shots. By the time you get back as far as 500, that becomes a big chunk of everything.

We learned that stuff as boys on the big range. Bolt action 308s with apature sights. we shot from 300 to 900 yards. Went back another 100 each week, then back to 300 & start again. Hitting possibles were hardest at 600 & 900 as the target size did not increase from the previous range. If you couldnt read wind & heat you had no hope of being competative.

I think that if a bloke wants to shoot more than 400yds, a 308 is a very good choice.

Im a bit worried about your pod. Its sexual confusion may be a problem.

Rew · 04-23-2006, 08:10 PM

Another problem you might be having Moon, mind you this is just a thought. What is the rate of twist on your rifle and what wight bullet are you using? It really sounds to me like the bullets are beginning to destabilize between 100 and 200 yards.

wc846 · 04-23-2006, 08:29 PM

rew, the remington 700 VLS in 22-250 is a 1 in 14 twist..

Cephus · 04-23-2006, 08:37 PM

OK Moon I'll chime in with ,ya have got some good info here already ,and it's all sound advise !!! Check everything twice and then do it one more time from the scope mount to the bedding on the stock one loose screw can do just that !!
So how about we ask you a question or two ,what bullet are you shooting in it and how old is the barrel with how many shoots through it .
If the throat has erroded and the bullet is making a jump to rifling this may cause what REW talked about the same as the twist !!
There is alot of things that would cause this ,I would have to say if the twist is a stock twist that the 52 should hold a MOA at 250 depending on your rest and how good ya are !!!

But There was a guy I used to compete with that said ,Hell from the time ya touch the trigger till hits the target there is only 867,943 things that go wrong !!! " So ya start with the small stuff !!!!

Moon · 04-23-2006, 09:01 PM

Thanks WC, I didn't know the rifling twist rate. I was curious about bullet destabilization too, as it relates to the rifling twist.

The rifle has had less than 10 boxes of shells through it, 6 or 7 being more realistic. It's not more than a few years old (5 at the very most). I guess my next step is to take a very serious look at it all again. I checked the bedding, and five $20 bills float between the stock and barrel all the way down until it finds the receiver.

I put the scope, rings, mount on myself, but then a rifle fuckin' MASTER redid it for me while I was at Bass Pro shops a couple of years ago (no shit, this guy definately knew his material. He inspected the rifle for me and said it was in tip-top shape).

I promise I'm a decent rifle shot, bowing humbly to those better than I am in here. I think finding the most-perfect load will help tremendously.

9teen11 · 04-23-2006, 09:07 PM

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I think finding the most-perfect load will help tremendously.

Yep, & its fun finding it too! Keep lots of notes

04-23-2006, 04:35 PM	#1
Moon IncogNegro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,825	Most accurate round for.... .22-250, in Remington 700 VS. Has thick, 26" heavy barrel, heavy synthetic stock. Leupold rings, complemented with VariX-III riflescope. I'm aware that this is not a competition rifle, but I've gone through the expense of providing a good rifle, good scope/mounts, bisexual-pod. I'm having a little trouble with finding the most-perfect round of ammunition. This rifle has made some truly amazing shots before, but I've missed a few too, which pisses me off I've been dicking around with different types of ammo, but haven't had much luck at all. The crappy wal-mart white-box "blaster-pack" seems to do just as well as the $20 box of Federal Premiums (at 100y, they get a little crappier at 200y). I was completely blown away by this ! Can anyone give me some insight here ? Anyone have experience with shooting .22-250 out of this type of rifle ?

04-23-2006, 04:47 PM	#2
partssman Redneck Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Reedy Creek, NC Posts: 9,140	maybe 19 will be able to help you out 'shner __________________ When Injustice Becomes Law....Rebellion Becomes Duty "If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin', you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick." - Clint Smith, Director of Thunder Ranch

04-23-2006, 05:33 PM	#4
Pogo Mystic Knight of the Sea Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great Swamp Posts: 81,969	I'm wondering if you might have a defective scope. Leupolds are first rate scopes, but any manufacturer can have the occasional defective product. You should be getting very tight shot groups at 200 yards with that rig. __________________ .................................................. ....................................… *We have met the enemy, and he is us!*

04-23-2006, 08:37 PM	#13
Cephus The OLD COOT one and only Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Glovers Gap WV Posts: 10,277	OK Moon I'll chime in with ,ya have got some good info here already ,and it's all sound advise !!! Check everything twice and then do it one more time from the scope mount to the bedding on the stock one loose screw can do just that !! So how about we ask you a question or two ,what bullet are you shooting in it and how old is the barrel with how many shoots through it . If the throat has erroded and the bullet is making a jump to rifling this may cause what REW talked about the same as the twist !! There is alot of things that would cause this ,I would have to say if the twist is a stock twist that the 52 should hold a MOA at 250 depending on your rest and how good ya are !!! But There was a guy I used to compete with that said ,Hell from the time ya touch the trigger till hits the target there is only 867,943 things that go wrong !!! " So ya start with the small stuff !!!! __________________ FREEDOM ONLY ACCEPTS ONE PRICE AND THAT IS BLOOD

04-23-2006, 07:09 PM	#8
9teen11 PERMANENTLY BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,080	Ive used various powders but always used a sierra 52gn bthp. They were the ants pants in both my rifles. M77 ruger & a Remington 700. The mates that shoot that round in comp at the longer ranges (500yds) use the match king proj of the same spec & they go through all the basics even down to matching their brass according to volume & weighing & batching their projectiles so that everything is ultra consistent. Ive always found that any extra effort in making ammo consistenct reflects in group size so its well worth the effort. They never use factory ammo in comp. Its made for everyone & no one at the same time. Got to find something that is perfect for your stick & go with that.

04-23-2006, 07:13 PM	#9
partssman Redneck Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Reedy Creek, NC Posts: 9,140	told ya he'd know

04-23-2006, 07:31 PM	#10
9teen11 PERMANENTLY BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,080	Mind you, your shooting sub MOA groups there & that what you want. I consider a 200 yd group the size of a quarter pretty tight from a non target rifle. Personally, Id be happy with that because all the game I shoot have heads bigger than a quarter. Ive noticed that wind & heat mirage start to have effect from 200. That stuff has to be mastered for the longer shots. By the time you get back as far as 500, that becomes a big chunk of everything. We learned that stuff as boys on the big range. Bolt action 308s with apature sights. we shot from 300 to 900 yards. Went back another 100 each week, then back to 300 & start again. Hitting possibles were hardest at 600 & 900 as the target size did not increase from the previous range. If you couldnt read wind & heat you had no hope of being competative. I think that if a bloke wants to shoot more than 400yds, a 308 is a very good choice. Im a bit worried about your pod. Its sexual confusion may be a problem.

04-23-2006, 08:10 PM	#11
Rew Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 9,710	Another problem you might be having Moon, mind you this is just a thought. What is the rate of twist on your rifle and what wight bullet are you using? It really sounds to me like the bullets are beginning to destabilize between 100 and 200 yards.

04-23-2006, 08:29 PM	#12
wc846 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 50 mi east of picsburg Posts: 1,418	rew, the remington 700 VLS in 22-250 is a 1 in 14 twist..

04-23-2006, 09:01 PM	#14
Moon IncogNegro Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,825	Thanks WC, I didn't know the rifling twist rate. I was curious about bullet destabilization too, as it relates to the rifling twist. The rifle has had less than 10 boxes of shells through it, 6 or 7 being more realistic. It's not more than a few years old (5 at the very most). I guess my next step is to take a very serious look at it all again. I checked the bedding, and five $20 bills float between the stock and barrel all the way down until it finds the receiver. I put the scope, rings, mount on myself, but then a rifle fuckin' MASTER redid it for me while I was at Bass Pro shops a couple of years ago (no shit, this guy definately knew his material. He inspected the rifle for me and said it was in tip-top shape). I promise I'm a decent rifle shot, bowing humbly to those better than I am in here. I think finding the most-perfect load will help tremendously.