03:30 hours I just punched a bear in the face. - Page 5

Thanatos · 11-04-2018, 06:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qksFSJ6qOW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eTw3q9H2Zs

Now then... at point blank range, against a motivated bear? I think I'll stick to a 4" barrel for the 500 S&W, just like I bought... MUCH quicker handling when up close and personal. And I'll stick to the 700 grn bullet, at point blank, tumbling or not. And you want a REAL test? Shoot that pistol one handed, double action, just like you would in a defensive moment. And with a HEAVY powder charge, not a commercial and lawyer safe load.

As far as the injuns and their .22 shorts? They can have my ticket to THAT ride. I put a little greater value to MY hide, thank you very much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyYLFO3o_rY

Was out with a group of "steel shooters", with their little pop guns, shooting at steel plates dangling from chains, on stands... They were using .380s, 9mms, 38 Specials, etc etc etc. I got tired of playing with the ParaOrdnace P14/45... was child's play. Brought out the 500 S&W. Using a 350 grn "plinking load", it hit the plate so hard that it knocked over the stand that it was suspended from... repeatedly. So then, after letting a few of the braver ones sample it, I did a one handed, double action, rapid fire, quickly as I could empty the cylinder.
Yeah, I did have a bit of a smirk on my face, viewing their slack jaws.

Now, I'm not "Merc sized", but... I was firing M-29s before the first Dirty Harry movie came out, back in my teens (when I was like 6' tall, and 115 pounds), and when commercial loads were not pajama boy safe. I have not been sissyfied by little prissy rounds, my whole life, so... iff'n it don't hurt the hand? How is it s'posed to have any authority down range???

You can hit that bear with a Fiat 600, going 45 mph (assuming it could go that fast), or you can hit it with a freight train going 60 mph. I'll take the freight train, thank you. Something small might just deflect off that hard head of the bear... at least with a 700 grn bullet, you know it is going to stun the bear sufficiently for a 2nd (and 3rd, or more) shot to secure the damned beast.

No... I do NOT like bears. I respect their lethality. I do not want to dance with them. I want to END them.

Stalky · 11-04-2018, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Thanatos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qksFSJ6qOW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eTw3q9H2Zs

Now then... at point blank range, against a motivated bear? I think I'll stick to a 4" barrel for the 500 S&W, just like I bought... MUCH quicker handling when up close and personal. And I'll stick to the 700 grn bullet, at point blank, tumbling or not. And you want a REAL test? Shoot that pistol one handed, double action, just like you would in a defensive moment. And with a HEAVY powder charge, not a commercial and lawyer safe load.

As far as the injuns and their .22 shorts? They can have my ticket to THAT ride. I put a little greater value to MY hide, thank you very much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyYLFO3o_rY

Was out with a group of "steel shooters", with their little pop guns, shooting at steel plates dangling from chains, on stands... They were using .380s, 9mms, 38 Specials, etc etc etc. I got tired of playing with the ParaOrdnace P14/45... was child's play. Brought out the 500 S&W. Using a 350 grn "plinking load", it hit the plate so hard that it knocked over the stand that it was suspended from... repeatedly. So then, after letting a few of the braver ones sample it, I did a one handed, double action, rapid fire, quickly as I could empty the cylinder.
Yeah, I did have a bit of a smirk on my face, viewing their slack jaws.

Now, I'm not "Merc sized", but... I was firing M-29s before the first Dirty Harry movie came out, back in my teens (when I was like 6' tall, and 115 pounds), and when commercial loads were not pajama boy safe. I have not been sissyfied by little prissy rounds, my whole life, so... iff'n it don't hurt the hand? How is it s'posed to have any authority down range???

You can hit that bear with a Fiat 600, going 45 mph (assuming it could go that fast), or you can hit it with a freight train going 60 mph. I'll take the freight train, thank you. Something small might just deflect off that hard head of the bear... at least with a 700 grn bullet, you know it is going to stun the bear sufficiently for a 2nd (and 3rd, or more) shot to secure the damned beast.

No... I do NOT like bears. I respect their lethality. I do not want to dance with them. I want to END them.

A men.

Stalky · 11-04-2018, 06:33 PM

It took 15 rounds of head shots to kill a raccoon. Plus a load of buckshot.
They are Wild animals.

mr-ak-47 · 11-05-2018, 04:09 AM

....make a pet out of it....

Merc · 11-05-2018, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thanatos

[url]At point blank range, against a motivated bear? I think I'll stick to a 4" barrel for the 500 S&W, just like I bought.....
I'll stick to the 700 grn bullet, at point blank......
Brought out the 500 S&W. Using a 350 grn "plinking load", it hit the plate so hard that it knocked over the stand that it was suspended from...

A 350 grain "plinking load" ???

MERC

Pogo · 11-05-2018, 08:40 AM

When I'm in Brown Bear country I'll prefer bear spray over any handgun. Most trappers and fisherman in Alaska carry bear spray and some carry shotguns in addition to thte bear spray.

And in Brown Bear country there are also Mountain Lions. They are fast and hide until they pounce. I'd definitely prefer bear spray over any firearm against them.

aviator · 11-05-2018, 08:42 AM

That guy shooting the shotgun was nuts. You don't stop a one ton bear running at you with a shotgun, that was close, I wonder if the dog came out OK.

Pogo · 11-05-2018, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by aviator

That guy shooting the shotgun was nuts. You don't stop a one ton bear running at you with a shotgun, that was close, I wonder if the dog came out OK.

His idiotic move was that he probably was loaded with bird shot and he intentionally shot the bear in the side so he wouldn't harm the bear.

Bird shot would have stopped the bear if he had shot it in the face, and then shot it in the face again and again until the gun was empty.

If it came down to me or the bear, it would be me surviving.

aviator · 11-05-2018, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pogo

His idiotic move was that he probably was loaded with bird shot and he intentionally shot the bear in the side so he wouldn't harm the bear.

Bird shot would have stopped the bear if he had shot it in the face, and then shot it in the face again and again until the gun was empty.

If it came down to me or the bear, it would be me surviving.

I'm sure that at close range a 12 gauge slug to the head would stop the bear but he was moving and the bear was moving, I would not risk it, get inside the house as fast as you can.

Diesel 88888888 · 11-05-2018, 09:38 AM

Almost any determined bear can crash though the average door...up in Alaska the trappers used to put sharpened spikes, lots of them, facing out on their doors and shutters to help keep the bears out...didn't help much with the roof though.

I have an old Haida painted dance robe made out of a grizzly bear hide, tanned and painted with the hair and claws still on it...dam that was a big bear...hide does have one small hole in it...!

mr-ak-47 · 11-05-2018, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by aviator

I'm sure that at close range a 12 gauge slug to the head would stop the bear but he was moving and the bear was moving, I would not risk it, get inside the house as fast as you can.

...Then be like Tim,...and punch it in the nose......

aviator · 11-05-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mr-ak-47

...Then be like Tim,...and punch it in the nose......

At 3 in the morning anything or anybody punching through my door will feel a 230 gr kiss on their head, I'm not that crazy. I'll deal with the problems later.

Thanatos · 11-05-2018, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Merc

A 350 grain "plinking load" ???

MERC

Well, yeah...

A 350 grain commercial load... +/- 1400 fps. Pretty soft, actually, comparatively...

Guess you might have to shoot a "hot" load to appreciate the difference.

Diesel 88888888 · 11-05-2018, 10:28 AM

I'd still prefer the old 45/70 of my youth...in a Winchester lever action of course.

4thIDvet · 11-05-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mr-ak-47

...Then be like Tim,...and punch it in the nose......

No Marine it was a karate chop to the head.

11-05-2018, 04:09 AM	#64
mr-ak-47 Massa di Avatars Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: In another Galaxy, another dimension, another time Posts: 25,604	WE want an update Tim.... ....make a pet out of it.... __________________ . One person says something stupid, and the other stupid people hear him, and the next thing you know, you're getting tortured in a gulag. Welcome to democracy, where your rights depend on the howling of the mob. .

11-05-2018, 08:40 AM	#66
Pogo Mystic Knight of the Sea Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great Swamp Posts: 81,969	When I'm in Brown Bear country I'll prefer bear spray over any handgun. Most trappers and fisherman in Alaska carry bear spray and some carry shotguns in addition to thte bear spray. And in Brown Bear country there are also Mountain Lions. They are fast and hide until they pounce. I'd definitely prefer bear spray over any firearm against them. __________________ .................................................. ....................................… *We have met the enemy, and he is us!*

11-05-2018, 08:42 AM	#67
aviator unum de multis Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bunker's Headquarters. Posts: 52,383	That guy shooting the shotgun was nuts. You don't stop a one ton bear running at you with a shotgun, that was close, I wonder if the dog came out OK. __________________ "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Pesident Ronald Reagan

11-05-2018, 09:38 AM	#70
Diesel 88888888 slug Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 35,823	Almost any determined bear can crash though the average door...up in Alaska the trappers used to put sharpened spikes, lots of them, facing out on their doors and shutters to help keep the bears out...didn't help much with the roof though. I have an old Haida painted dance robe made out of a grizzly bear hide, tanned and painted with the hair and claws still on it...dam that was a big bear...hide does have one small hole in it...! __________________ Diesel 88888888 Duty is Action; Fight Or Die! Fight Or I'll Kill You Myself!

11-04-2018, 06:27 PM	#61
Thanatos Grunt-o-saurus Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: I Corps Posts: 5,973	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qksFSJ6qOW0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eTw3q9H2Zs Now then... at point blank range, against a motivated bear? I think I'll stick to a 4" barrel for the 500 S&W, just like I bought... MUCH quicker handling when up close and personal. And I'll stick to the 700 grn bullet, at point blank, tumbling or not. And you want a REAL test? Shoot that pistol one handed, double action, just like you would in a defensive moment. And with a HEAVY powder charge, not a commercial and lawyer safe load. As far as the injuns and their .22 shorts? They can have my ticket to THAT ride. I put a little greater value to MY hide, thank you very much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyYLFO3o_rY Was out with a group of "steel shooters", with their little pop guns, shooting at steel plates dangling from chains, on stands... They were using .380s, 9mms, 38 Specials, etc etc etc. I got tired of playing with the ParaOrdnace P14/45... was child's play. Brought out the 500 S&W. Using a 350 grn "plinking load", it hit the plate so hard that it knocked over the stand that it was suspended from... repeatedly. So then, after letting a few of the braver ones sample it, I did a one handed, double action, rapid fire, quickly as I could empty the cylinder. Yeah, I did have a bit of a smirk on my face, viewing their slack jaws. Now, I'm not "Merc sized", but... I was firing M-29s before the first Dirty Harry movie came out, back in my teens (when I was like 6' tall, and 115 pounds), and when commercial loads were not pajama boy safe. I have not been sissyfied by little prissy rounds, my whole life, so... iff'n it don't hurt the hand? How is it s'posed to have any authority down range??? You can hit that bear with a Fiat 600, going 45 mph (assuming it could go that fast), or you can hit it with a freight train going 60 mph. I'll take the freight train, thank you. Something small might just deflect off that hard head of the bear... at least with a 700 grn bullet, you know it is going to stun the bear sufficiently for a 2nd (and 3rd, or more) shot to secure the damned beast. No... I do NOT like bears. I respect their lethality. I do not want to dance with them. I want to END them.

11-04-2018, 06:33 PM	#63
Stalky Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 8,076	It took 15 rounds of head shots to kill a raccoon. Plus a load of buckshot. They are Wild animals.

11-05-2018, 10:28 AM	#74
Diesel 88888888 slug Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 35,823	I'd still prefer the old 45/70 of my youth...in a Winchester lever action of course.