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Old 06-03-2017, 02:04 AM   #1
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Spinz Recoil and sling

I have a Vz. 24 and a pile of Ecuadoran apocalypse loads that hit like a Gypsy curse. They are even worse than 8x56r in a M95 Stutzen. I put an M1 sling on it and wrapped in a hasty sling, took aim and expected a budget chiropractic adjustment and discovered the M1 sling absorbed a significant amount of the recoil, so much so I'll probably keep the rifle and even get more ammunition for it.

Probably not news to most here but this is one of my biggest caches and most favored rifles and now they are useful again.

I'm going to get a 1" wide one from Tech Sights for the M39 Finn and possibly one for the Mini-14 so I can use the swivels that came with them. Going to have to get two more standard ones so the sisterhood of the traveling sling will end.
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Old 06-03-2017, 02:49 AM   #2
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Bluntforce I am a bit confused at what your saying here? Hell with the artificial shoulder I need to reduce recoil how is your setup working to do that?
Thank you in advance.
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Old 06-03-2017, 01:46 PM   #3
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I just put my M1 sling that came with my M1A on my Vz.24 as an experiment. I used the same sling on my AR for Appleseed, it's on the AR now (that's why these rifles are the sisterhood of the traveling sling).

With the M1 canvas sling on the Vz. 24 I left it attached on both swivels. Adjusted for length, I put my left arm up to the armpit into the sling and wrapped it around my left arm and pulled tight against the front swivel. It is the style they describe as "hasty" because you can quickly wrap the left arm in the sling. A lot of the recoil force was transferred to the sling and around the left arm.

Looping in, detaching the sling from the back swivel and tying the rifle to the left arm will probably transfer the entire recoil force backward into the right shoulder.

There are many Appleseed Project videos describing both methods.

Tech Sights makes peep sights for Ruger 10/22s and Mossberg .22s that are endorsed by the project. They also sale M1 slings that are narrow enough to fit M39 Finnish Mosin or Mini-14 swivels for less than $20 so no modifications to the rifles are needed to get one of these slings on one.

This load out of this rifle is the only bad experience I've had, Serbian loadings are much kinder. I've shot heavier bullets out of lighter rifles with smaller butts. Maybe it's age?

The Vz. 24 is a Russian capture that came with a leather strap with hole-slot openings and two rivets to close them as a sling. The original slings were quite nice but the Russians favor "good enough" over the best whenever possible. The M1 sling is as much a mechanical marvel as the M1's sights. Americans used to make good shit.
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Old 06-03-2017, 01:57 PM   #4
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Thumbs up That will help thank you.

Bluntforce thank yah much for explaining that.
Artificial shoulder, left and soon right hip replacement, defibrillator, arthritis, eyesight going, trouble walking, going senile, going deaf "what" uh lets see what else?
As Thantos posted "getting old ain't for pussies."
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Old 06-03-2017, 04:11 PM   #5
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One of my favorite rifles was a Yugo M24, but my ex took it in the divorce. Since I knew only the asshole she hooked up with would be shooting it, I was "nice" and gave her a bandolier of hot Turkish 8mm (corrosive) to go with it. Never heard anything about how that worked, though. Now, the only 8mm I have is the CZ24 I bought for my Dad before he died. It's an arsenal rebuild. The Yugo was one of the first over here - was new, never fired until I pulled the trigger on it the first time.

I almost always use a hasty sling, even when shooting off a bench. It does seem to reduce recoil.
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The canvas slings on my M1's are the best. Sling up and it's rock solid. I like the nylon ones that I have on the AR's, BUT nylon is much slicker and just doesn't feel as stable. Although with the total lack of recoil from an AR it doesn't much matter. It's certainly stable enough for government work.
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Old 06-03-2017, 09:13 PM   #7
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discovered the M1 sling absorbed a significant amount of the recoil
Anyone that had ever gone to an Appleseed would have known that.
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Hell with the artificial shoulder I need to reduce recoil how is your setup working to do that?
4th, check out 'PAST recoil pad' at MidwayUSA. They work wonders. Make my 6lb4oz 30.06 sporter feel like an AR.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:28 PM   #8
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Bluntforce thank yah much for explaining that.
Artificial shoulder, left and soon right hip replacement, defibrillator, arthritis, eyesight going, trouble walking, going senile, going deaf "what" uh lets see what else?
As Thantos posted "getting old ain't for pussies."
Take a look at http://www.kick-killer-recoil-pads.com/ I put one on a Rossi M92 lever action in .44 magnum for my wife. It reduces recoil quite a bit. They are slip on pads that come in velcro closure and lace up configurations. The lace up looks good on the .44 ...and it works! Their site has a chart to ensure you get the right size. Just click on the configuration that appeals to you. P.S. My wife told our Doctor at her last appointment that "this getting old stuff is not easy". Our Doctor said, "It's better than dying young". Can't argue with that one!
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Excellent tips thank you guys..
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Just shot 450 Ecuadoran Apocalypse rounds without sling support and without ill effects to body (did bounce the brain around a bit). I merely had to take the words of Chopper Read to heart and, "Harden the fuck up!"

I credit Dallas Page's yoga with my Hardening the fuck up. My hamstrings are still diddled but I've only been on it four months.

I love this rifle now and since the majority of my ammo is Serbian I expect to only drop the pin on each one once. Strange thing about these Ecuadoran hard starts, most are fine those that don't go on the first strike will go on the second or not at all. Pulled duds apart so nothing happens to schmucks down the line.

Next project, hanging gallon off Finnish M39 and holding it on target until my support arm hardens the fuck up!
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Next project, hanging gallon off Finnish M39 and holding it on target until my support arm hardens the fuck up!
Do yourself a favor and be a poozzy. Start with it half full.
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