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[GARANDNUT]

Originally Posted by AKWARRIOR

You should of started off with a tri-cycle geared plane with no aileron control as a trainer.Starting off with a tail dragger and full control surfaces is a big no-no for a beginner.

I did. I started out with a Slo V and have yet to crash it. I called parkzone and they sent be a new fuselage at no charge. Great customer service. I will try to find some instruction before I try to fly it again though.

[oneshot]

AKWARRIOR nailed it. Everyone wants a fighter or warbird as their first plane. Big NO NO

Nothing in the instructions will tell you that you use both rudder and elevator, or ailerons and elevator if you have them to turn the plane.

The rudder on ailerons bank the plane and the elevator then turns it. You have to learn how much of each to hold in.

The other thing is to let a plane that takes off from the ground, build up speed before lifting off. Otherwise, the engine or motor torque will flip it as soon as it is airborne.

Trail draggers compound this problem. And fighters were designed to be unstable so they could maneuver quickly. Your RC instincts have to be able to lead the plane where you want it to go as opposed to following it with corrections trying to get it where you want it as you are learning.

[aviator]

Originally Posted by oneshot

AKWARRIOR nailed it. Everyone wants a fighter or warbird as their first plane. Big NO NO

Nothing in the instructions will tell you that you use both rudder and elevator, or ailerons and elevator if you have them to turn the plane.

The rudder on ailerons bank the plane and the elevator then turns it. You have to learn how much of each to hold in.

The other thing is to let a plane that takes off from the ground, build up speed before lifting off. Otherwise, the engine or motor torque will flip it as soon as it is airborne.

Trail draggers compound this problem. And fighters were designed to be unstable so they could maneuver quickly. Your RC instincts have to be able to lead the plane where you want it to go as opposed to following it with corrections trying to get it where you want it as you are learning.

Garandnut is a real pilot too.

[Czubek]

Originally Posted by aviator

Garandnut is a real pilot too.

Bet you didn't know I am a pilot also.






















I pile it here, I pile there, I pile it everywhere.



Brian

[oneshot]

Originally Posted by aviator

Garandnut is a real pilot too.

That does not matter. I was a real pilot for many years. With the average RC plane you do not have a cockpit view or instrument input.. And the planes react somewhat different because we have shrunk down the plane but not the air molecules.

Any wind, breeze, or thermal effects, are compounded on the force they apply to a model.

I was an AMA charted club instructor for many years. Teaching real pilots to learn often took longer than teaching a none pilot.

You have to learn how to instantly make the correct control inputs without thinking about it.

Biggest problem is when the plane is level and going away from you, up is up and right is right etc. when it is level and coming at you up is up but right is left to your view.

Gets worse inverted when you pull down elevator to go up but the turn input is now changed.

And if the plane goes into a spin you have to give the correct input at the correct time or the spin worsens.

That is why I always taught saying forward stick, back stick, left stick, and right stick. When you are holding the radio somewhat level, the instructions match what input is needed. Then it did not matter what the orientation was. If I need the plane to make a turn to the right to stay in the flight pattern from our view, the student understand the instruction even if he thought the plane would turn left.

So while you are learning, you are "chasing" the plane trying to give it an input to correct what it did wrong. Once you learn, you are "leading" the plane. automatically giving the inputs to have it do what you what when you want. And the three basic RC plane types, High wing, mid wing, and low wing, all respond at different rates. Then add a different Airfoil type then you learned on an it compounds the planes reactions.

RC flight simulators help somewhat' but when the real model plane is in the air the nerves kick in. Sometimes a student makes a mistake and if there is altitude to allow time, while they are thinking about what to do, the plane changes orientation faster than they can react. BUT the key is to let them try, then make the proper correction and tell the WHY. Then as an instructor I liked to fly the plane to the location and orientation of the problem and let them make the correction.

I used to train what we called 9 dumb thumbs high so the student with simulator experience, could try 9 times to correct a plane before I had to take over.

[bounce]

you did not adhere to Bounce's learnedism #2

If floats, flies or fucks...RENT IT.

and number #14...as a bonus to you....just recently developed...:

start wiping from the hemohroid...not towards.....saves about 10 extra clean up wipes.

[ErikD]

Originally Posted by bounce

and number #14...as a bonus to you....just recently developed...:

start wiping from the hemohroid...not towards.....saves about 10 extra clean up wipes.

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