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Old 12-09-2009, 02:19 AM   #16
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I got my Mossy 500 set up with 6 rounds..........

In the pipe: Brenneke rifled slug.

In the mag tube: 00 buck, #4 bird shot, Brenneke slug, 00 buck, #4 bird shot.

2 big holes, 18 medium size holes and a shitload of lotsa little holes (or a big chunk or two of body parts missing).............

Either way, that's a lotta holes the perps gotta try and plug if he wants to live long enough for me to step down on his neck.

If that fails, I have my 1911A1 handy.
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:20 AM   #17
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:42 AM   #18
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Guns are bad. 911 is our friend.

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Old 12-09-2009, 11:00 AM   #19
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I've messed around with both in my younger days, both are nasty but for home defense I'd prefer number 4 shot, more of them. Either one will destroy a man if hit in the middle of the torso IMO
Same here and point toward the person's head. He's going down.
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:34 AM   #20
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Did you mean 9mm x eleven times is your friend?
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:40 AM   #21
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Point man Jim "Patches" Watson UDT/Seal preferred #4 with a duck bill spreader.
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Did you mean 9mm x eleven times is your friend?
Pretty much! Load em all up in a front stuffer...

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Interesting responses and thanks.
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bitter taste ! shot column is short and dense in the house less than 10 yds at the worst ,you point lower center human torso with most loads from 20/12 shot gun they will go down ............
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I had 3" 000 in mine when it was next to the bed.

Shouldnt have sold that Remy, great home defense gun and price is about $500 now instead of the $300 I had in it.
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Old 06-15-2010, 09:53 PM   #26
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#1 buck 3'' for me.Not to many not to few.
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#1 buck 3'' for me.Not to many not to few.
I agree and it don't have to be 3"
2-3/4 with 20, .30 cal. ball's will work just fine
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Few firearms/ammo discussions , excepting maybe the M-16 vs AK47 argument are more ... endless.

Part of this is the different scenarios any one individual imagines. Or may have experienced.

For years I was a big fan of #4 Buck, it performed well enough on lightly clad, small statured Asians and there wasn't much of a history regarding it's use on 265 pound coked up Negroes and Caucasians.

Now there is, results marginal in the southern states and unacceptable in the Northern States, where heavy winter clothing may be encountered much of the year.

Military and LE have pretty much stayed with 00 Buck for that reason, works well on big baddies, regardless of weather and/ or clothing, everyone atudying the situation seriously agrees that 000 Buck works even better

#1 Buck is the smallest anyone recommends for serious self defense use making it the .380 of self defense shotgun loads I guess. 0 and 000 are uncommon and hard to find so most people (like myself) settle on 00 and don't worry overmuch about it.

3 inch shells in any load are usually not recommended due to the heavier recoil and lower velocity. But if you can handle the recoil for repeat shots and don't consider the velocity loss important, then go for it.

The new Tactical loads, you'll note are even lower velocity and less recoil than 2 3/4 inch normal buckshot loads, and they are being well received, maybe too soon to say if they are really all that effective, should be okay for in home defense however.

Bird-shot ... IMHO, use it for birds, in humans it produces really ugly but shallow wounds, pretty high survival rate for folks shot with bird shot, but it fits many folks imagined scenario.

Some here know what 00 does to a human (or whitetail deer) and therefore make it their choice.

I think this depends on that personal scenario, most folks just want to stop an aggressor, not necessarily kill him/her/it. And the gun writers have made such a big deal out of the over penetration myth that many take it as gospel truth. Barring the one or two instances a year when a stray missed shot goes through a door, window or wall to kill or injure an innocent person, I've never heard a case of a LEO or Citizen shot penetrating the targeted person and then going through a wall to injure an innocent bystander.

Worried about 'over penetration'?

Practice more and don't miss.

Personally, if I'm threatened enough to feel a need to use deadly force in a confrontation, I do not want to wound and I do not want to kill.

I want to destroy utterly and immediately.

Were my intent anything less ... I'd never even consider pulling the trigger!

Nor should you!

As always JMHO, YMMV and on this topic I'm sure many will!

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Old 06-18-2010, 09:56 AM   #29
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3" w/ 10 000 Buck pellets? Or 3" w/ 15 00 Buck pellets? Both at 1225 fps...

My Saiga 12 gobbles up either indiscriminately, and they feed just fine through the ten round magazines.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...
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Muzzle Loader works great, just pour a handfull of .36 cal pellets down the barrel.
Wad behind and a wad in front, abig charge of powder in back.
Perp that can stare down those double barrels, and be comfortable, deserves everything he gets!
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