Quick Answer Needed: Remington Rand .45

American Rage · 06-07-2012, 04:50 PM

So, I stopped off at my local gun shop. They had a blued Remington Rand 45 for $600. The bluing was worn off most of the slide, but the gun itself had no rust on it and seemed as smooth as silk.

Should I buy it?

Personally, I swore off 1911A1's a few years back, but I can't help but wonder if maybe I should purchase this one for future sale or trade.

What say you?

RTO · 06-07-2012, 05:00 PM

I have a RR that is in good shape, I feel that it is worth $600 or more. The #'s are matching except for the barrel.

Sanders · 06-07-2012, 05:08 PM

For $600? Hell yeah!

But check to see if the frame and slide match. There are plenty of mixmasters out there.

10 Bears · 06-07-2012, 05:42 PM

Too bad it's not a 'Singer!'
Definately worth the price, IF the numbers match.

American Rage · 06-07-2012, 06:00 PM

I've got a conference to attend tomorrow. I'll stop off at the pawn shop after that, and if they still have it I'll check the numbers and the inspector's mark.

I now believe the finish is Du-lite, not parkerized.

dcjake · 06-08-2012, 07:53 AM

rem rands should have been parkerized seeing as they were made late in the war, good shape ones have been running around $1000 in central pa... might want to do a little research to see if parts have been swapped out during rebuild/repair at a post war arsenal(should be a mark in the area of the trigger guard)

RTO · 06-08-2012, 03:03 PM

The RR that I have was manufactured in 1943 and it has what appears to be the original blued finish.

American Rage · 06-08-2012, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTO

The RR that I have was manufactured in 1943 and it has what appears to be the original blued finish.

I learned yesterday that it's called "Du-lite"

I believe it's more black than blue.

I've decided against it for now, as I have other things to spend my money on.

And since a member of gunsnet expressed interest if I didn't want to buy it. I sent him the info on it a few hours ago.

American Rage · 06-08-2012, 09:16 PM

The member of gunsnet had notified me that he too is a little short of cash.

So here's another discription written for a member of another board. I'll let you decide based on the following discription:

I've decided not to buy the Remington Rand. Not b/c I don't think it's worth it, but because I need to buy new glasses, a garage door operner, and a new battery for my motorcycle first. Also, I set aside $400 for a new Sub 2000 as soon as it comes in.

Anyway, I went back for a closer look today. And although I was unable to strip it down, I can tell you what I saw.

The gun's serial range was in the 2,2XX,XXX range and configures with the last production run of Remington Rand
.45s.

On the left side of the slide it is marked Remington above Syracuse, N.Y. It does not say "Rand." I figure this could be due to one of the following reasons, (1) light tooling strike, (2) refinishing, (3) 65+ years of wear, (4) combination of the above. However, I'm happy to report that the slide actually has about 55% of the finish left. Also, though I personally had a hard time seeing them, the store personnel pointed out a few super small pits in the slide that could easily be covered if the gun were refinished.

On the left side of the frame, below the slide stop were the initials "FJA" which I'm told all Remington Rand's have as these are the initials of the inspector for RR at that time. Unfortunately, there is an "idiot mark" through the initials. Near the magazine release button was the letter "P" stamped into the frame. On the right side of the frame, it says "United States Property M 1911 US Army," or something to that effect. I was wrong about the mainspring housing being checkered, it's serrated instead. However, the slide release, trigger, and hammer are all checkered. I'd rate the frame's bluing at 80%, maybe a little less.

The barrel had nice lands and grooves, but to my mind showed no signs of rust or pitting. It did, however, have a dark substance that seemed lie in the grooves, giving a 'shadow' effect (for lack of a better term) to the lands. The gentlemen at the shop seemed to believe that this was due to firing corrosive military ammo. Still, I saw no pits or rust in the barrel itself. I point this out b/c you or someone else might consider the markings from the corrosive ammo to be rust. Which is fine.

Finally, it had some Pachamyer (sp?) grips on it. The gun itself felt tight, and when racking the slide the action seemed silky smooth.

That's about all I can tell you. I hope I've described it accurately for you. Regardless, if you're interested, here is the contact information that I promised.

The gun can be found at:

Kings Pawn and Gun
4255 E. Reno
Del City, Oklahoma
73117

Phone: 405-670-3366
Fax: 405-670-3933

The shop itself is about 2 miles north and 1 mile west of Tinker Air Force Base (fact is two airmen were looking at guns as I was checking out the Remington Rand). I told them they might receive a call from out of state, and they were fine with that.

Good luck. And let me know what happens.

Remington Rand Info link:
http://www.model1911a1.com/Remington.htm

06-07-2012, 04:50 PM	#1
American Rage Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 520	Quick Answer Needed: Remington Rand .45 So, I stopped off at my local gun shop. They had a blued Remington Rand 45 for $600. The bluing was worn off most of the slide, but the gun itself had no rust on it and seemed as smooth as silk. Should I buy it? Personally, I swore off 1911A1's a few years back, but I can't help but wonder if maybe I should purchase this one for future sale or trade. What say you?

06-07-2012, 05:00 PM	#2
RTO Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Flarda Posts: 29,565	I have a RR that is in good shape, I feel that it is worth $600 or more. The #'s are matching except for the barrel. __________________ 3 Make America Like Florida

06-07-2012, 05:08 PM	#3
Sanders Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 66,463	For $600? Hell yeah! But check to see if the frame and slide match. There are plenty of mixmasters out there. __________________ "The truly dangerous man dresses inconspicuously and is soft- spoken. He walks away from most confrontations. The only time you learn that the truly dangerous man is mad at you is a split second before you die, for he never fights. He only kills. The truly dangerous man knows that fighting is what children do and killing is what men do." - Charley Reese 1986 3

06-07-2012, 05:42 PM	#4
10 Bears Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: E-Da-How Posts: 137,846	Too bad it's not a 'Singer!' Definately worth the price, IF the numbers match.

06-07-2012, 06:00 PM	#5
American Rage Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 520	I've got a conference to attend tomorrow. I'll stop off at the pawn shop after that, and if they still have it I'll check the numbers and the inspector's mark. I now believe the finish is Du-lite, not parkerized.

06-08-2012, 07:53 AM	#6
dcjake Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 319	rem rands should have been parkerized seeing as they were made late in the war, good shape ones have been running around $1000 in central pa... might want to do a little research to see if parts have been swapped out during rebuild/repair at a post war arsenal(should be a mark in the area of the trigger guard)

06-08-2012, 03:03 PM	#7
RTO Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Flarda Posts: 29,565	The RR that I have was manufactured in 1943 and it has what appears to be the original blued finish.

06-08-2012, 09:16 PM	#9
American Rage Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 520	The member of gunsnet had notified me that he too is a little short of cash. So here's another discription written for a member of another board. I'll let you decide based on the following discription: I've decided not to buy the Remington Rand. Not b/c I don't think it's worth it, but because I need to buy new glasses, a garage door operner, and a new battery for my motorcycle first. Also, I set aside $400 for a new Sub 2000 as soon as it comes in. Anyway, I went back for a closer look today. And although I was unable to strip it down, I can tell you what I saw. The gun's serial range was in the 2,2XX,XXX range and configures with the last production run of Remington Rand .45s. On the left side of the slide it is marked Remington above Syracuse, N.Y. It does not say "Rand." I figure this could be due to one of the following reasons, (1) light tooling strike, (2) refinishing, (3) 65+ years of wear, (4) combination of the above. However, I'm happy to report that the slide actually has about 55% of the finish left. Also, though I personally had a hard time seeing them, the store personnel pointed out a few super small pits in the slide that could easily be covered if the gun were refinished. On the left side of the frame, below the slide stop were the initials "FJA" which I'm told all Remington Rand's have as these are the initials of the inspector for RR at that time. Unfortunately, there is an "idiot mark" through the initials. Near the magazine release button was the letter "P" stamped into the frame. On the right side of the frame, it says "United States Property M 1911 US Army," or something to that effect. I was wrong about the mainspring housing being checkered, it's serrated instead. However, the slide release, trigger, and hammer are all checkered. I'd rate the frame's bluing at 80%, maybe a little less. The barrel had nice lands and grooves, but to my mind showed no signs of rust or pitting. It did, however, have a dark substance that seemed lie in the grooves, giving a 'shadow' effect (for lack of a better term) to the lands. The gentlemen at the shop seemed to believe that this was due to firing corrosive military ammo. Still, I saw no pits or rust in the barrel itself. I point this out b/c you or someone else might consider the markings from the corrosive ammo to be rust. Which is fine. Finally, it had some Pachamyer (sp?) grips on it. The gun itself felt tight, and when racking the slide the action seemed silky smooth. That's about all I can tell you. I hope I've described it accurately for you. Regardless, if you're interested, here is the contact information that I promised. The gun can be found at: Kings Pawn and Gun 4255 E. Reno Del City, Oklahoma 73117 Phone: 405-670-3366 Fax: 405-670-3933 The shop itself is about 2 miles north and 1 mile west of Tinker Air Force Base (fact is two airmen were looking at guns as I was checking out the Remington Rand). I told them they might receive a call from out of state, and they were fine with that. Good luck. And let me know what happens. Remington Rand Info link: http://www.model1911a1.com/Remington.htm