Question on religion

aviator · 01-29-2014, 08:46 PM

More specifically for our chaplain and real preacher,

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I'm about to have an argument with the guy who's teaching Catechism to my daughter and her friends at our local church. As you know Catholic churches enjoy controlling people's lives and want you to attend church every Sunday, which is pretty much every church of every denomination, the more people show up the better fiscally and I can understand that.

Now for my question.

When did Jesus say to meet at a temple?

There is a reference to like people meeting together made at Matthews in the Old Testament, merely made by the Israelites and as we all know it was also a financial decision. However, Jesus was against the practice and was therefore preaching the word of His Father on the go.

Am I correct in assuming He never had a temple? He never made people listen to his sermons, whoever followed him did so out of their own free will.

If that is indeed the recorded history, can I tell this jackass not to pick on my daughter again for not attending mass?....because I'm about to kick his ass.

10 Bears · 01-29-2014, 10:02 PM

Let me paraphrase a quote:

"Where two, or more, are gathered in my name, there I will be."

And that is sufficient for me.

aviator · 01-30-2014, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 Bears

Let me paraphrase a quote:

"Where two, or more, are gathered in my name, there I will be."

And that is sufficient for me.

That's how I feel.

Karl/PA · 01-30-2014, 08:33 AM

Check here. Lots to choose from:

http://biblehub.com/mark/12-35.htm

5knives · 01-30-2014, 01:18 PM

Well ... a couple of points;

First of all the Roman Catholic church does not stand on biblical authotrity alone, tradition is a big part of the doctrine. Protestants, to one degree or another consider the Bible to be the only authoritive source, with some of the older protestant sects incorporating some degree of tradition but leaning toward Biblical authority. Lutheran formal doctrine are surprisingly vclose to the Catholics.

A lot of years of Biblical and theological studies have left me with the view that Jesus left us the Holy Spirit to abide in our hearts and souls, to guide and comfort us. The Churches and Formal religions are man made constructs, and being man made cannot avoid error.

OTT ... what 10Bears said!

As always, JMHO, YMMV and that's okay too, God sees into our hearts and knows our thoughts, being a good and loving God I suspect he doesn't get overly exercised about our small faliures to perform to ritual and tradional mores.

I've also become very suspicious about the foks that stand up and say; " Now let ME tell you what he REALLY meant by that!"

Regards,

...

HorseSoldier176 · 01-30-2014, 01:41 PM

For what it is worth, I have long believed that God, being the natural God, and the God of nature, wants us, man, his children, to get closer to him, by looking for, and worshiping him in that which he has created. Be it nature, trees, and such, or space, stars, planets, etc, or his creatures, or ourselves, and our children, as well as other humans.

By the same token, we are taught to not tolerate those who violate both man's, and God's laws.

10 Bears · 01-30-2014, 01:55 PM

Where is our Chaplain?

5knives · 01-30-2014, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorseSoldier176

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By the same token, we are taught to not tolerate those who violate both man's, and God's laws.

Agreed 100%, as long as we are mindful that God's law is immutable and trump man made laws, regulations and rules every time.

Regards,

...

RetVet · 01-30-2014, 02:18 PM

For those who believe, God is everywhere. No temple, group gathering, or human voice from a pulpit required. I talk, He listens. It's the hearing part I believe most of us have a problem with.

My $.02

aviator · 01-30-2014, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetVet

For those who believe, God is everywhere. No temple, group gathering, or human voice from a pulpit required. I talk, He listens. It's the hearing part I believe most of us have a problem with.

My $.02

I think I have my answer.

Czubek · 01-30-2014, 03:57 PM

I personally, have found out that I can believe and have faith without the church, BUT, by attending church every Sunday, I have learned that I was missing out on an awful lot of the Word. I choose to attend church every Sunday to worship Him and hear His Word. I don't believe you can get that all on your own. And besides, we've been having a lot of fun with the folks that attend our little country church.

But, that's me.

Brian

aviator · 01-30-2014, 04:06 PM

OK but you choose to attend church...out of your own free will

Czubek · 01-30-2014, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviator

OK but you choose to attend church...out of your own free will

Absolutely. Also, that's what works for us. We choose to be fairly active in the church related activities, too. Then again, we're not Catholic, either.

Brian

Sanders · 01-30-2014, 11:38 PM

Church is for fellowship.

But you'll either get into Heaven or not by what is or is not in your heart.

I've asked the same question, too - when did Jesus command his disciples to build a fancy church?

Interesting side note: The church I used to attend before they went full blown money-grubbers, now has a "for sale" sign out front.

When it was a little metal building, the place was packed and the Word of God was preached. When I started going there, I was told the donation boxes were in the back, and there was no pressure to give. They told me that God would provide for the church's needs and they did not believe in incurring debt to expand.

Then, one day, they broke ground on what would become a huge auditorium. Then the preacher started begging for money and trying to guilt-trip the congregation to "reach deeper" "for the Lord". That's when I quit going to that church. The elders had quietly disappeared before that - men I had a lot of respect for.

There is actually a name I've heard for what many of us here are -- the "unchurched" movement. The unchurched have not lost faith in God, but they have become disillusioned with the church.

10 Bears · 01-31-2014, 12:00 AM

Well said, Sanders, and I have seen the same circumstances, that have lost
their congregations.

01-29-2014, 08:46 PM	#1
aviator unum de multis Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bunker's Headquarters. Posts: 52,383	Question on religion More specifically for our chaplain and real preacher, . I'm about to have an argument with the guy who's teaching Catechism to my daughter and her friends at our local church. As you know Catholic churches enjoy controlling people's lives and want you to attend church every Sunday, which is pretty much every church of every denomination, the more people show up the better fiscally and I can understand that. Now for my question. When did Jesus say to meet at a temple? There is a reference to like people meeting together made at Matthews in the Old Testament, merely made by the Israelites and as we all know it was also a financial decision. However, Jesus was against the practice and was therefore preaching the word of His Father on the go. Am I correct in assuming He never had a temple? He never made people listen to his sermons, whoever followed him did so out of their own free will. If that is indeed the recorded history, can I tell this jackass not to pick on my daughter again for not attending mass?....because I'm about to kick his ass. __________________ "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Pesident Ronald Reagan

01-30-2014, 08:33 AM	#4
Karl/PA Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South-Central PA Posts: 11,989	Check here. Lots to choose from: http://biblehub.com/mark/12-35.htm __________________ Karl Alcohol is a perfect solvent: It dissolves marriages, families and careers.

01-30-2014, 01:41 PM	#6
HorseSoldier176 Retired Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Central PA Posts: 14,148	For what it is worth, I have long believed that God, being the natural God, and the God of nature, wants us, man, his children, to get closer to him, by looking for, and worshiping him in that which he has created. Be it nature, trees, and such, or space, stars, planets, etc, or his creatures, or ourselves, and our children, as well as other humans. By the same token, we are taught to not tolerate those who violate both man's, and God's laws. __________________ Free citizens are armed citizens, but only armed citizens are truly free! Bruce R. Gadbois 2008

01-30-2014, 02:18 PM	#9
RetVet Statistical Error Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Homeless Posts: 43,653	For those who believe, God is everywhere. No temple, group gathering, or human voice from a pulpit required. I talk, He listens. It's the hearing part I believe most of us have a problem with. My $.02 __________________ ^^^ For entertainment purposes. Use only as directed. ^^^ III

01-30-2014, 03:57 PM	#11
Czubek slug Join Date: May 2007 Location: Stover, Missouri Posts: 33,622	I personally, have found out that I can believe and have faith without the church, BUT, by attending church every Sunday, I have learned that I was missing out on an awful lot of the Word. I choose to attend church every Sunday to worship Him and hear His Word. I don't believe you can get that all on your own. And besides, we've been having a lot of fun with the folks that attend our little country church. But, that's me. Brian __________________ 3 Here at the Dirty Dozen's Bunker, we have no problems, only solutions.

01-29-2014, 10:02 PM	#2
10 Bears Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: E-Da-How Posts: 137,846	Let me paraphrase a quote: "Where two, or more, are gathered in my name, there I will be." And that is sufficient for me.

01-30-2014, 01:18 PM	#5
5knives KaBoom Kontrol Modulator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Colorado, Western Slope Posts: 16,229	Well ... a couple of points; First of all the Roman Catholic church does not stand on biblical authotrity alone, tradition is a big part of the doctrine. Protestants, to one degree or another consider the Bible to be the only authoritive source, with some of the older protestant sects incorporating some degree of tradition but leaning toward Biblical authority. Lutheran formal doctrine are surprisingly vclose to the Catholics. A lot of years of Biblical and theological studies have left me with the view that Jesus left us the Holy Spirit to abide in our hearts and souls, to guide and comfort us. The Churches and Formal religions are man made constructs, and being man made cannot avoid error. OTT ... what 10Bears said! As always, JMHO, YMMV and that's okay too, God sees into our hearts and knows our thoughts, being a good and loving God I suspect he doesn't get overly exercised about our small faliures to perform to ritual and tradional mores. I've also become very suspicious about the foks that stand up and say; " Now let ME tell you what he REALLY meant by that!" Regards, ...

01-30-2014, 01:55 PM	#7
10 Bears Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: E-Da-How Posts: 137,846	Where is our Chaplain?

01-30-2014, 04:06 PM	#12
aviator unum de multis Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bunker's Headquarters. Posts: 52,383	OK but you choose to attend church...out of your own free will

01-30-2014, 11:38 PM	#14
Sanders Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 66,459	Church is for fellowship. But you'll either get into Heaven or not by what is or is not in your heart. I've asked the same question, too - when did Jesus command his disciples to build a fancy church? Interesting side note: The church I used to attend before they went full blown money-grubbers, now has a "for sale" sign out front. When it was a little metal building, the place was packed and the Word of God was preached. When I started going there, I was told the donation boxes were in the back, and there was no pressure to give. They told me that God would provide for the church's needs and they did not believe in incurring debt to expand. Then, one day, they broke ground on what would become a huge auditorium. Then the preacher started begging for money and trying to guilt-trip the congregation to "reach deeper" "for the Lord". That's when I quit going to that church. The elders had quietly disappeared before that - men I had a lot of respect for. There is actually a name I've heard for what many of us here are -- the "unchurched" movement. The unchurched have not lost faith in God, but they have become disillusioned with the church. __________________ "The truly dangerous man dresses inconspicuously and is soft- spoken. He walks away from most confrontations. The only time you learn that the truly dangerous man is mad at you is a split second before you die, for he never fights. He only kills. The truly dangerous man knows that fighting is what children do and killing is what men do." - Charley Reese 1986 3

01-31-2014, 12:00 AM	#15
10 Bears Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: E-Da-How Posts: 137,846	Well said, Sanders, and I have seen the same circumstances, that have lost their congregations.