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Old 11-29-2016, 11:31 PM   #1
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Default Any wine lovers out their watch "Sour Grapes" before you buy expensive wines.

"With pockets full of cash, charisma and a preternatural memory for vintages,*an unassuming young Rudy Kurniawan earns the reputation of a wine savant, surrounding himself with some of high society’s most fervent wine connoisseurs. But when Bill Koch, a top US collector,and, Laurent Ponsot, a Burgundian wine producer, discover suspicious bottles, a humorous and suspenseful investigation begins into one of the most ingenious cons of our time."
http://www.sourgrapesfilm.com/about/


Rudy beat Bill Koch alone for a bit over $4 million bucks in phony relabeled wines. Whoops picked the wrong guy to screw over. Koch hired retired C.I.A. and FBI agents to investigate him.
Estimates are Rudy conned damn near $75 million in phony relabeled wines to the so called wine experts. He is doing 10 years in club Fed. No money has been recovered. Good job Rudy.
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I like red wine for it's medicinal properties, cheap wine is as good as expensive wine, but the expensive ones taste better.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:23 AM   #4
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I guess I don't drink much wine, as evidenced by the bottles on the shelf and in the wine rack.

When I was in Germany, though, I could tell which wine producing valley in Germany a white wine was from by taste. I drank a lot of wine over there.
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You know, I'm no wine connoisseur but I inherited a lot of wine bottles from my father-in-law when he died and have been drinking them, so recently I opened one up and it was one of the best wines I've ever tasted, so I looked at the bottle and it look a bit different, so I ran a search on the winery and the stock of wine and I flipped, $175.00 a bottle the cheapest I found it, told my wife, go and have a taste because we are not drinking this again.
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I have a buddy who is a chef. I recently sat down with him & a few others to a 6 course meal including course of wine that he pared to the food. I'm for the most part not a wine drinker, but when it's done like this I do enjoy it & the buzz that followed. I figure we drank well over $800.00 worth.
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I have a buddy who is a chef. I recently sat down with him & a few others to a 6 course meal including course of wine that he pared to the food. I'm for the most part not a wine drinker, but when it's done like this I do enjoy it & the buzz that followed. I figure we drank well over $800.00 worth.
Heck I'm happy with a $5.00 Italian wine Publix is selling, one cup a day is all I drink.
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Heck I'm happy with a $5.00 Italian wine Publix is selling, one cup a day is all I drink.
The reasons I'm not much of a wine drinker. The first being the seasonal job. We sell alot of wine & the smell of it in the heat & humidity of october gets me, especially if a bottle is broke. Second the wife tends to drink a bottle or 2 per night. And it tends to be a cheaper red that reminds me of the seasonal job.

I seldon drink beer too, because of the seasonal job. 10 beer wenches serving & spilling a little ends yp with the squeegee cleaning the floor every night.

I've drank $150.00 bottles with my chef buddy while eating a Subway sandwich. One night while tasting ports for his bussiness we drank 3 bottles of LBV ports while smoking cigars & eating an occasional chocolate. That was a very enjoyable & exspensive evening too!
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"Sour Grapes" does that cover '"Ripple" also?
That can be some very expensive stuff.
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"Sour Grapes" does that cover '"Ripple" also?
That can be some very expensive stuff.
Results in prayers to the Porcelain God.
I remember just out of High School....Boone's Farm Apple wine $1.00 a bottle!
Good stuff but one hell of a hangover!! Could buy a case of 12 for $10.00!!!
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I cook with wine but I'm not much of a wine drinker. My wife likes her Merlot and Pinot Grigio so she takes me to Total Wine to shop. I buy Imported beer and she buys her wines.

Even Trader Joe's has decent Merlot, according to her and it is inexpensive, just like Trader Jose beer.
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I cook with wine but I'm not much of a wine drinker. My wife likes her Merlot and Pinot Grigio so she takes me to Total Wine to shop. I buy Imported beer and she buys her wines.

Even Trader Joe's has decent Merlot, according to her and it is inexpensive, just like Trader Jose beer.
Red wine is highly beneficial to your health, with moderation, of course. We have a Total Wine around here somewhere but I haven't visit them yet.
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Red wine is highly beneficial to your health, with moderation, of course. We have a Total Wine around here somewhere but I haven't visit them yet.
I was in awe the first time I visited Total Wine. Prices are very competitive and they have virtually anything that you may want.

I like going there even if it is waaay up in Jax. I usually go there when I have a VA appointment near there.
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"Sour Grapes" does that cover '"Ripple" also?
That can be some very expensive stuff.
Results in prayers to the Porcelain God.
Problem was, you didn't mix it with some cheap champagne and make...Champipple!

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I like red wine for it's medicinal properties, cheap wine is as good as expensive wine, but the expensive ones taste better.
I guess I don't have a refined wine palette. Cheap box wines taste pretty much the same as expensive ones to me.
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