Dismissed! Traffic Cam Violation

Diesel 88888888 · 04-23-2019, 06:53 PM

First time in 30 years or so that I've gotten a ticket of any kind for anything...these traffic cam tickets are on a par with parking tickets as far as the Insurance Co., is concerned.

Went to court on it today, dismissed for cause on my motion to dismiss for their failure to provide discovery in a timely manner.

Next!

Sanders · 04-23-2019, 07:10 PM

When I went to court for one, they basically said, "F-you, pay us your money. It's a civil fine, not a criminal charge."

I reckon I was too un-prepared. Should have thought of the discovery angle.

Diesel 88888888 · 04-23-2019, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sanders

When I went to court for one, they basically said, "F-you, pay us your money. It's a civil fine, not a criminal charge."

I reckon I was too un-prepared. Should have thought of the discovery angle.

They always fuck up discovery; in Washington State it is illegal for them to show the driver so you can also challenge that...only slightly more complicated but still easy.

thefundamentalist · 04-23-2019, 08:05 PM

We had red light cameras and speeding vans for about 8 years before voting to ban them. City made it virtually impossible to beat the rap. They were told that the cameras didn't even have power to them until the light turned red, so, absolutely no chance of ticketing a driver on green or yellow. Until it came out the cameras were on all the time.

City council said they didn't like being lied to....but voted to keep them anyway. got used to that easy money.Lovely creatures these liberal Democrats. If it involves stealing money they're all over it!

Never got nabbed in all that time. i employed countermeasures - they must have worked!

Merc · 04-23-2019, 09:28 PM

The summons is against the car , like a parking summons in NYS.
The driver cannot be verified accurately.

I saw a case in Virginia where a man defeated a red light cam
summons on the ground it was a violation of his 6th Amendment.
He argued he could not confront and question the witness against
him since the witness was a camera
The judge dismissed the summons. ( ticket )

MERC

Diesel 88888888 · 04-23-2019, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc

The summons is against the car , like a parking summons in NYS.
The driver cannot be verified accurately.

I saw a case in Virginia where a man defeated a red light cam
summons on the ground it was a violation of his 6th Amendment.
He argued he could not confront and question the witness against
him since the witness was a camera
The judge dismissed the summons. ( ticket )

MERC

They will dismiss any legitimate challenge for cause; when I was in court one man said he wasn't the driver...dismissed...most of the folks there had their $125 reduced to $80 and went away happy as pigs in shit!

JD Miller · 04-23-2019, 09:40 PM

Did you flip the bird at the camera?

Diesel 88888888 · 04-23-2019, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JD Miller

Did you flip the bird at the camera?

Nah, I don't do things like that...and besides, they can't use the camera photograph...plus, my windows are tinted which fucks up such things as cameras and nosey nobodies!

4thIDvet · 04-24-2019, 03:57 AM

They tried those things down here in Fla. They got shot so full of bullet holes they took them down for the safety of the public.

4thIDvet · 04-24-2019, 04:01 AM

A motion for discovery is a motion made to the court by the party of a criminal proceeding or civil lawsuit to obtain information or evidence regarding the case, Free Advice explains. ... A motion of discovery provides the defendant with notes made by a police officer during or shortly after issuing a traffic citation.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-discovery-motion

Hey Diesel if I get arrested I am flying you down here to represent me in court.

aviator · 04-24-2019, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc

The summons is against the car , like a parking summons in NYS.
The driver cannot be verified accurately.

I saw a case in Virginia where a man defeated a red light cam
summons on the ground it was a violation of his 6th Amendment.
He argued he could not confront and question the witness against
him since the witness was a camera
The judge dismissed the summons. ( ticket )

MERC

Actually, that's the best defense. You have the right to face your accuser in court.

500grains · 04-24-2019, 07:38 AM

I was charged (charged, not a civil fine) for a parking violation allegedly committed by my son on forest service land. He was accused of blocking a gate but did not do so. He was parked on the shoulder well back from the gate but another dork blocked the gate. The cop called me at home to ask about my car blocking the gate. It was October. I asked if anyone was on the other side of the gate. The cop said No, the campground behind the gate would not have guests again until Memorial Day weekend. wtf.

I went to court without my son. I told the prosecutor that she could not charge me for my son parking, and he was innocent anyway. Then I told her my sister had shot herself in the haid (irrelevant but I threw it in). The prosecutor said that was an adequate excuse and dismissed the charge.

4thIDvet · 04-24-2019, 08:01 AM

Not the proper attire to wear to court. The judge did not laugh.

Diesel 88888888 · 04-24-2019, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4thIDvet

A motion for discovery is a motion made to the court by the party of a criminal proceeding or civil lawsuit to obtain information or evidence regarding the case, Free Advice explains. ... A motion of discovery provides the defendant with notes made by a police officer during or shortly after issuing a traffic citation.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-discovery-motion

Hey Diesel if I get arrested I am flying you down here to represent me in court.

I'd b honored n alls dat shise & stuff...but the trip would probably finish me off before I got there. I have filed hundreds of Title 42 U.S.C. 1983 (Bivens Actions) for prisoners who were getting fucked around...most were dismissed but like I've said many times: "you don't have to win in order to get what you want." I sued the State of Idaho under the Civil RICO statutes and the mamonites running ISCI finally threw me out to stop all my legal mischief in their law library; the asbestos suit was absolutely precious, talk about a case of the 'running shits' n all!"

thefundamentalist · 04-24-2019, 10:52 AM

The judges, camera companies, and police departments had the system sewn up so tight nobody could win. People were losing their drivers licenses, getting their cars towed, being pressured to out relatives, process servers would lie about delivering summonses and judges would take their word for it, it was a damn crime syndicate.

It's when I got into guns. If the scumbags were going to be this devious in getting money they'd be unstoppable once things got really bad.

04-23-2019, 06:53 PM	#1
Diesel 88888888 slug Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 35,834	Dismissed! Traffic Cam Violation First time in 30 years or so that I've gotten a ticket of any kind for anything...these traffic cam tickets are on a par with parking tickets as far as the Insurance Co., is concerned. Went to court on it today, dismissed for cause on my motion to dismiss for their failure to provide discovery in a timely manner. Next! __________________ Diesel 88888888 Duty is Action; Fight Or Die! Fight Or I'll Kill You Myself!

04-23-2019, 07:10 PM	#2
Sanders Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 66,497	When I went to court for one, they basically said, "F-you, pay us your money. It's a civil fine, not a criminal charge." I reckon I was too un-prepared. Should have thought of the discovery angle. __________________ "The truly dangerous man dresses inconspicuously and is soft- spoken. He walks away from most confrontations. The only time you learn that the truly dangerous man is mad at you is a split second before you die, for he never fights. He only kills. The truly dangerous man knows that fighting is what children do and killing is what men do." - Charley Reese 1986 3

04-23-2019, 09:28 PM	#5
Merc Expendable Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Concrete Jungle NYC Posts: 23,803	The summons is against the car , like a parking summons in NYS. The driver cannot be verified accurately. I saw a case in Virginia where a man defeated a red light cam summons on the ground it was a violation of his 6th Amendment. He argued he could not confront and question the witness against him since the witness was a camera The judge dismissed the summons. ( ticket ) MERC __________________ Keep your powder dry and an edge on your knife, Know your enemy, know his sword - Miyamoto Musashi The Book of Five Rings Blessed be the Lord , my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust;

04-23-2019, 09:40 PM	#7
JD Miller Fake Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: PNW Posts: 39,209	Did you flip the bird at the camera? __________________ .......

04-24-2019, 03:57 AM	#9
4thIDvet slug Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Astor Florida Posts: 48,445	They tried those things down here in Fla. They got shot so full of bullet holes they took them down for the safety of the public. __________________ God Bless Americas Veterans. All who are serving and have served.

04-23-2019, 08:05 PM	#4
thefundamentalist Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,887	We had red light cameras and speeding vans for about 8 years before voting to ban them. City made it virtually impossible to beat the rap. They were told that the cameras didn't even have power to them until the light turned red, so, absolutely no chance of ticketing a driver on green or yellow. Until it came out the cameras were on all the time. City council said they didn't like being lied to....but voted to keep them anyway. got used to that easy money.Lovely creatures these liberal Democrats. If it involves stealing money they're all over it! Never got nabbed in all that time. i employed countermeasures - they must have worked!

04-24-2019, 04:01 AM	#10
4thIDvet slug Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Astor Florida Posts: 48,445	A motion for discovery is a motion made to the court by the party of a criminal proceeding or civil lawsuit to obtain information or evidence regarding the case, Free Advice explains. ... A motion of discovery provides the defendant with notes made by a police officer during or shortly after issuing a traffic citation. https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-discovery-motion Hey Diesel if I get arrested I am flying you down here to represent me in court.

04-24-2019, 07:38 AM	#12
500grains Soldier of Allah Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Crackerland Posts: 31,662	I was charged (charged, not a civil fine) for a parking violation allegedly committed by my son on forest service land. He was accused of blocking a gate but did not do so. He was parked on the shoulder well back from the gate but another dork blocked the gate. The cop called me at home to ask about my car blocking the gate. It was October. I asked if anyone was on the other side of the gate. The cop said No, the campground behind the gate would not have guests again until Memorial Day weekend. wtf. I went to court without my son. I told the prosecutor that she could not charge me for my son parking, and he was innocent anyway. Then I told her my sister had shot herself in the haid (irrelevant but I threw it in). The prosecutor said that was an adequate excuse and dismissed the charge. __________________ Racism will keep you alive.

04-24-2019, 08:01 AM	#13
4thIDvet slug Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Astor Florida Posts: 48,445	Not the proper attire to wear to court. The judge did not laugh.

04-24-2019, 10:52 AM	#15
thefundamentalist Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,887	The judges, camera companies, and police departments had the system sewn up so tight nobody could win. People were losing their drivers licenses, getting their cars towed, being pressured to out relatives, process servers would lie about delivering summonses and judges would take their word for it, it was a damn crime syndicate. It's when I got into guns. If the scumbags were going to be this devious in getting money they'd be unstoppable once things got really bad.