This just goes beyond tinfoil hat territory... - Page 2

Southern Partisan · 04-11-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zane Zackerly

I have to disagree with this statement. The Dead Sea Scrolls proved that the Jewish Torah and other texts have remain virtually word-for-word unchanged for thousands of years. Are we to infer that the Jewish "faith" is stronger than the Christian one, because its texts are more reliable?

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying, but I'l make an attempt at a reply hoping I touch on it.

Whether it be the Dead Sea Scrolls or biblical archaeological testing, all that can be proven are consistancy of texts with the ancient traditions. Even those "Bibe Codes" do not necessarily prove Divine authorship...whether it be books of the Old Testament or the New. Further, we shouldn't desire this proof, for to know (scio, scire), to possess science, is to say that one possesses the intellible substance of it in the mind...that the mind can encompass it. But who can encompass God? How can the finite even hope to grasp the Infinite?

Lastly, I assert that the Christian faith in a very real was IS the Jewish faith...fulfilled. That is why the Catholic Church, to which I belong, prays for the Jews particularly, for they are the seed of Abraham, our patriarch by faith and theirs by blood. They are the only race in the world that, so to speak, could claim the true faith by veritable blood-right. That is what made their rejection of it so tragic, for the faith should be theirs as that of a first-born son. We are here by adoption. But, not to worry, St. Paul says that before the end, the first-born son (the Jews) will return to the true faith...the faith fulfilled.

Zane Zackerly · 04-11-2006, 05:51 PM

It sounded like you were saying there is no standard by which writings can be judged as divine or not. I say that the Jewish Torah has survived thousands of years because of divine help. Ditto the books of the New Testament, and why the Gospel of Judas is rejected but Matthew is NOT.

Southern Partisan · 04-11-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zane Zackerly

It sounded like you were saying there is no standard by which writings can be judged as divine or not. I say that the Jewish Torah has survived thousands of years because of divine help. Ditto the books of the New Testament, and why the Gospel of Judas is rejected but Matthew is NOT.

The standard is the Faith. Your assertion about the Torah is based primarily on faith. The fact that it has survived the long test of time bolsters you in the faith, but it is still the faith that makes you say that it is divine.

There is no natural standard, or standards of man's making, that can prove or disprove the Faith (of which the Holy Scriptures are a part).

Zane Zackerly · 04-11-2006, 06:44 PM

We're on the same page after all...

Southern Partisan · 04-11-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zane Zackerly

We're on the same page after all...

Cool.

5knives · 04-11-2006, 06:55 PM

Indeed we are, even if it sometimes appeaars that I'm not only off the page and out of the book but in a different Library altogether!

Thanks for the comments Gentleman!

Regards,

04-11-2006, 05:51 PM	#17
Zane Zackerly The Mad Messenger Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great State of Insanity Posts: 4,222	It sounded like you were saying there is no standard by which writings can be judged as divine or not. I say that the Jewish Torah has survived thousands of years because of divine help. Ditto the books of the New Testament, and why the Gospel of Judas is rejected but Matthew is NOT.

04-11-2006, 06:44 PM	#19
Zane Zackerly The Mad Messenger Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great State of Insanity Posts: 4,222	We're on the same page after all...

04-11-2006, 06:55 PM	#21
5knives KaBoom Kontrol Modulator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Colorado, Western Slope Posts: 16,229	Indeed we are, even if it sometimes appeaars that I'm not only off the page and out of the book but in a different Library altogether! Thanks for the comments Gentleman! Regards,