Concealed Carry

scubadvr · 01-09-2008, 10:34 AM

Sam, WC846, has a Colt Pocket Lite (380 cal.) which I think is an outstanding concealed carry weapon. I have looked every where for one and they are no where. Regardless, I have been thinking about a Walther PPK. What do you guys think? Any recommendations. I want to stay either with 380 or 9mm. Thanks, Jack

Gus · 01-09-2008, 10:49 AM

Years ago I bought my wife a Colt MK IV/SERIES’80 Government Model 380 Auto semi automatic stainless steel pistol.

I love the thing for concealed carry and it's very accurate up to 15 yards, that's as far as I've shot it.

The Colt Pocket Lite (380 cal.) looks identical in size and shape, if it's like the little Colt 380 we have I have nothing but praise for it.

aviator · 01-09-2008, 11:15 AM

That PPK is a heavy piece.

HorseSoldier176 · 01-09-2008, 11:32 AM

PPK is a nice weapon, but my opinion is that .380 is to small for tactical use, even in warm weather, when your opponents are not heavly dressed.

In the summer, I carry a full 9mmP, Glock 19, with a KelTec P-11 as a backup. Both are full 9mmP, and that is the smallest round I would ever consider for self protection. As the weather cools, I carry a Colt combat commander, in .45 ACP.

So far, I have never been forced to engage an opponent (with a personally owned weapon), but if I ever am, I want to ensure that I am the one who walks away from the fight alive!

Pogo · 01-09-2008, 11:43 AM

Something only slightly bigger and a fair amount more powerful than a Colt Pocket Lite 380 cal. (9x17) would be a Makarov in 9x18.

You might take that into consideration.

I carry it when I'm not packing my model 65 S&W. I carry it in a Fobus paddle holster.

5knives · 01-09-2008, 11:57 AM

Strongly second the Makarov, my own personal EDC. (90% of the time, 10% it's a 2 or 3 inch .357) choice determined more by dress and occasion than anything else.

I may have had a bad Walther, but I still consider the Makarov to be twice the gun for 1/3 the price.

I consider the 9x18 as 'acceptable' which is about where i rank the 9mm or .38 Spcl, a significant step up in results require .357, .44 or .45. And a snub .357 has a lot to recommend it.

That said , if there were any reason I might conceviably expect trouble I'd be carrying a 1911, (because all my .44's are SA) and if I actually expected trouble and had to go there for some inexplicable reason, handguns would not be part of the discussion.

Regards,

aviator · 01-09-2008, 12:30 PM

Horse, my son engaged an alligator at 7 feet with the PPK 380 and the shot went right through into the head.

scheistermeister · 01-09-2008, 12:37 PM

Another gun very similar to the PPK in 9mm Makarov is the FEG-PA-63. Cheap too. Only complaint I (an other people who have shot mine) have about it is that with an aluminum frame it is not always nice to shoot for long periods of time.

Preacher · 01-09-2008, 12:44 PM

I don't have a real PPK, but I have one of the clones. It's pretty accurate and dependable, not to mention easily concealed. One of the Polish P-64 is pretty good too. It's actually a little smaller than the PPK clone and it uses 9x18, which packs a little more punch than 380 like Pogo said.

To me the P-64 is the easier of the 2 to conceal.

Pogo · 01-09-2008, 01:11 PM

I ordered a P64 like

has for my shooting buddy. And it is almost identical to my Makarov. And as scheister said, because of the aluminum frame, it does sting a tad after shooting several rounds.

While we are on this subject, what 9x18 ammo do you guys use? Right now I'm using Sellier and Bellot, 95 grain. I'm wondering if anyone makes a good hollow point for the Makarov? Anyone know?

Hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread scuba, but it sort of pertains to what you were asking.

nutinauniversalshell · 01-09-2008, 01:14 PM

The new Sig P250 is nice and my current carry piece...but its about $650 OTD

S&W 6906 would be in the $350 range.

Makarov is nice too.

KelTec P11...12rnds of 9mm in a very small package.

Basically as long as it feels good and shoots, go for it.

scheistermeister · 01-09-2008, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogo

I ordered a P64 like

has for my shooting buddy. And it is almost identical to my Makarov. And as scheister said, because of the aluminum frame, it does sting a tad after shooting several rounds.

While we are on this subject, what 9x18 ammo do you guys use? Right now I'm using Sellier and Bellot, 95 grain. I'm wondering if anyone makes a good hollow point for the Makarov? Anyone know?

Hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread scuba, but it sort of pertains to what you were asking.

I just use cheap Wolf ammo in my PA-63, but I only carry it when my 1911 is too big and I am wanting more than the .25ACP from my RaVen.

Pogo · 01-09-2008, 02:14 PM

I see MidwayUSA has something I might be interested in.

Quote:

Glaser Pow'Rball Ammunition 9x18mm (9mm Makarov) 70 Grain Pow'Rball Box of 20

Loaded by Cor-Bon, the Pow'Rball round features a copper cup with compressed lead core. The jacketed bullet creates a deep penetrating bullet that retains most of its weight.

I might look for them at the next gun show I go to. I hate paying the expensive shipping cost for one box of pistol ammo.

jaegersapper · 01-09-2008, 02:35 PM

I bought some of this from Midway

"Hornady Custom Ammunition 9x18mm (9mm Makarov) 95 Grain XTP Jacketed Hollow Point Box of 25"

It shoots well out of my Mak, which buy the way has never failed to go bang at the appropriate time, no matter what brand of ammo.

Mine is just like Pogo's but with updated grips.

Pogo · 01-09-2008, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaegersapper

I bought some of this from Midway

"Hornady Custom Ammunition 9x18mm (9mm Makarov) 95 Grain XTP Jacketed Hollow Point Box of 25"

It shoots well out of my Mak, which buy the way has never failed to go bang at the appropriate time, no matter what brand of ammo.

Mine is just like Pogo's but with updated grips.

I got both sets of grips for mine. Mine came with the black grips with a slight thumb rest, and the original red grips with a star. I like the looks of the original commie grip, so that's what I keep on mine.

I'll try to find a box of that Hornaday XTP Hollowpoint then. Thanks

01-09-2008, 10:34 AM	#1
scubadvr Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 1,150	Concealed Carry Sam, WC846, has a Colt Pocket Lite (380 cal.) which I think is an outstanding concealed carry weapon. I have looked every where for one and they are no where. Regardless, I have been thinking about a Walther PPK. What do you guys think? Any recommendations. I want to stay either with 380 or 9mm. Thanks, Jack __________________ OLIVER NORTH FOR PRESIDENT www.warroom.com www.michaelsavage.com *AMERICA FIRST*

01-09-2008, 11:15 AM	#3
aviator unum de multis Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bunker's Headquarters. Posts: 52,374	That PPK is a heavy piece. __________________ "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Pesident Ronald Reagan

01-09-2008, 11:32 AM	#4
HorseSoldier176 Retired Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Central PA Posts: 14,148	PPK is a nice weapon, but my opinion is that .380 is to small for tactical use, even in warm weather, when your opponents are not heavly dressed. In the summer, I carry a full 9mmP, Glock 19, with a KelTec P-11 as a backup. Both are full 9mmP, and that is the smallest round I would ever consider for self protection. As the weather cools, I carry a Colt combat commander, in .45 ACP. So far, I have never been forced to engage an opponent (with a personally owned weapon), but if I ever am, I want to ensure that I am the one who walks away from the fight alive! __________________ Free citizens are armed citizens, but only armed citizens are truly free! Bruce R. Gadbois 2008

01-09-2008, 11:43 AM	#5
Pogo Mystic Knight of the Sea Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great Swamp Posts: 81,967	Something only slightly bigger and a fair amount more powerful than a Colt Pocket Lite 380 cal. (9x17) would be a Makarov in 9x18. You might take that into consideration. I carry it when I'm not packing my model 65 S&W. I carry it in a Fobus paddle holster. __________________ .................................................. ....................................… *We have met the enemy, and he is us!*

01-09-2008, 12:37 PM	#8
scheistermeister Throbbing Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,727	Another gun very similar to the PPK in 9mm Makarov is the FEG-PA-63. Cheap too. Only complaint I (an other people who have shot mine) have about it is that with an aluminum frame it is not always nice to shoot for long periods of time. __________________ There are 10 types of people - Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Remember, kids... When choosing a career path: Mechanical Engineers make weapons, Civil Engineers make targets.

01-09-2008, 10:49 AM	#2
Gus Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 66,849	Years ago I bought my wife a Colt MK IV/SERIES’80 Government Model 380 Auto semi automatic stainless steel pistol. I love the thing for concealed carry and it's very accurate up to 15 yards, that's as far as I've shot it. The Colt Pocket Lite (380 cal.) looks identical in size and shape, if it's like the little Colt 380 we have I have nothing but praise for it.

01-09-2008, 11:57 AM	#6
5knives KaBoom Kontrol Modulator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Colorado, Western Slope Posts: 16,229	Strongly second the Makarov, my own personal EDC. (90% of the time, 10% it's a 2 or 3 inch .357) choice determined more by dress and occasion than anything else. I may have had a bad Walther, but I still consider the Makarov to be twice the gun for 1/3 the price. I consider the 9x18 as 'acceptable' which is about where i rank the 9mm or .38 Spcl, a significant step up in results require .357, .44 or .45. And a snub .357 has a lot to recommend it. That said , if there were any reason I might conceviably expect trouble I'd be carrying a 1911, (because all my .44's are SA) and if I actually expected trouble and had to go there for some inexplicable reason, handguns would not be part of the discussion. Regards,

01-09-2008, 12:30 PM	#7
aviator unum de multis Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bunker's Headquarters. Posts: 52,374	Horse, my son engaged an alligator at 7 feet with the PPK 380 and the shot went right through into the head.

01-09-2008, 12:44 PM	#9
Preacher Chaplain/Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 11,321	I don't have a real PPK, but I have one of the clones. It's pretty accurate and dependable, not to mention easily concealed. One of the Polish P-64 is pretty good too. It's actually a little smaller than the PPK clone and it uses 9x18, which packs a little more punch than 380 like Pogo said. To me the P-64 is the easier of the 2 to conceal. __________________ You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done. Ronald Reagan - 1964 ------------------------------------- Bunker Member #4.

01-09-2008, 01:11 PM	#10
Pogo Mystic Knight of the Sea Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Great Swamp Posts: 81,967	I ordered a P64 like has for my shooting buddy. And it is almost identical to my Makarov. And as scheister said, because of the aluminum frame, it does sting a tad after shooting several rounds. While we are on this subject, what 9x18 ammo do you guys use? Right now I'm using Sellier and Bellot, 95 grain. I'm wondering if anyone makes a good hollow point for the Makarov? Anyone know? Hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread scuba, but it sort of pertains to what you were asking.

01-09-2008, 01:14 PM	#11
nutinauniversalshell Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: TN Posts: 1,238	The new Sig P250 is nice and my current carry piece...but its about $650 OTD S&W 6906 would be in the $350 range. Makarov is nice too. KelTec P11...12rnds of 9mm in a very small package. Basically as long as it feels good and shoots, go for it. __________________ If you can't buy it build it. If you can't build it buy two.

01-09-2008, 02:35 PM	#14
jaegersapper Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: My own little world Posts: 327	I bought some of this from Midway "Hornady Custom Ammunition 9x18mm (9mm Makarov) 95 Grain XTP Jacketed Hollow Point Box of 25" It shoots well out of my Mak, which buy the way has never failed to go bang at the appropriate time, no matter what brand of ammo. Mine is just like Pogo's but with updated grips.

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