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01-01-2018, 10:48 AM | #16 | |
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Capstick's tales were mostly fabricated. A 12 gauge with buckshot is HIGHLY DISFAVORED for lion medicine and is in fact illegal in all countries where lions are hunted. Legal rounds are .375 H&H rifle and up. Shotguns lack the velocity to deliver either shock or good penetration (same problem with handguns). Shotguns with pellets of any size face the problem that each pellet is relatively light so penetration is poor unless shot at point blank range where the pellets arrive as a solid blob. And then the disadvantage is that the projectile blob is delivered at 1000 less than rifles can offer.
Feline nervous systems tend to be incapacitated by shock of a bullet that hits them at 2400 fps or more. Quote:
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01-01-2018, 10:57 AM | #17 | |
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I bet the use shotguns because they are cheap ($250 instead of $1500),
as well as out of ignorance. There were tales of Eskimos using .22 Hornet for polar bear. They used it because it was what they had, not because it was ideal. Quote:
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01-01-2018, 11:41 AM | #18 |
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Oh I am sure in a lot of cases you are 100% correct on all they can afford 500grains. The Netflix series "Life Below Zero" shows an Eskimo mother who hunts everything with an old beat up and I mean beat to hell Mosin-nagant.
Not that the Mosin will not do the job but his thing is held together with duct-tape. Interesting though that even L.O.s had shotguns also? Maybe their not hunting the bears but just trying to scare them off? But a shotgun with that Brenekke slug appears to be a damn formidable weapon? I don't know my Polar bear hunting days are long gone. I will watch from the living room.
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01-01-2018, 04:47 PM | #19 |
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01-01-2018, 06:30 PM | #20 | |
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In Capstick's day 12 gauge shotguns were NOT illegal to use. Today, though, is another story. Because some of Capstick's adventures are documented with photographs I'm inclined to believe him when he says that, on more than one occasion, he followed wounded lions into thick brush with a 12 gauge shotgun and buckshot in his hands. He, also, relates stories about using this combination at very close range. (Mere feet!) I've, also, watched national park rangers using shotguns in exactly the same way that Capstick says he did. When I knew him, Peter wasn't a liar; something of a loner, perhaps, but nobody thought of him as a liar. The man had books to sell; and he needed to make them entertaining — He did! Sometimes he told other hunters stories; sometimes he told his own; and, yes, I'm sure that, on occasion, sometimes he embellished them, too; but to deliberately lie about using a shotgun at close range on lions? No, I do not think Peter would have done that. (Peer group pressure and all!) From the 'end of the hunt' pictures I've seen, I'm inclined to believe that if Capstick says he finished off lions with a 12 gauge shotgun at 3 or 4 feet of distance then, yes, that is what he did. When the bloody and hard-fought Rhodesian war broke out, Peter voluntarily continued to live in his remote backcountry hut in order to help protect the local villagers he knew in the area. In my experience personal courage, and outrageous fairytales are seldom generated by the same man. Nuff said! |
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01-01-2018, 11:47 PM | #21 |
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I think we can put Capstick in the same category with talented authors Larry McMurty and Cormac McCarthy.
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01-02-2018, 05:27 PM | #22 |
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01-03-2018, 08:09 PM | #23 |
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I have never shot a polar bear, but do know that government employees working on Spitsbergen use bolt rifles in 308win. and 30-06 for self defence. For the most last Mauser M98’s or Ruger M77’s (since they are available in stainless).
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01-17-2018, 01:11 PM | #24 | |
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In a bear attack I would prefer to have bear spray.
Bear spray will stop an attack quicker than a firearm. If you are within 40-50 feet of an attacking bear it is unlikely you can stop it with a firearm before he can get to you. But bear spray will turn him around. There are many articles on the subject. Here is one from Field & Stream. https://www.fieldandstream.com/artic...arging-grizzly Quote:
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03-10-2018, 10:09 PM | #25 |
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The 22lr pistol and a cripple you can outrun.
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03-11-2018, 07:14 AM | #26 |
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12 gauge flash bangs to scare them off is what I remember seeing on a show.
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04-12-2018, 02:08 PM | #27 |
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Give me my bullwhip, a chair.. and my trunk monkey.
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Our forefathers would have already been shooting...by now. "Let your plans be dark and as impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt." "Violence of action means the unrestricted use of speed,strength, surprise and aggression to achieve total dominance against your enemy...any fighting technique is useless unless you totally commit to violence of action."Burning huts in commy vills worldwide since 1968
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04-12-2018, 02:30 PM | #28 |
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The best thing to have for a polar bear attack is a democunt human shield.
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08-18-2018, 08:22 AM | #29 |
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Wife and I encountered a black bear a week ago while hiking on State land. It was about 20 yards away. We turned and got the hell out of there. Our two dogs behaved perfectly and came back to us as soon as my wife called them. My .38 revolver felt very small.
The bear didn't even look up at us. He couldn't care less. It was a good learning experience. Next time, we'll be more careful. |
08-21-2018, 05:54 PM | #30 |
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