How about a G20.... - Page 3

ErikD · 02-07-2011, 09:11 AM

True, but I didn't have any pictures of a 10mm case rupture handy.

Regardless, am I mistaken in thinking that the way the gun is designed, and thus the direction and way the gases are deflected, is the most important factor when this happens? I am pretty sure that not all other guns would have left the shooter (me in this case) with no injuries.

Moon · 02-07-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ErikD

Regardless, am I mistaken in thinking that the way the gun is designed, and thus the direction and way the gases are deflected, is the most important factor when this happens? I am pretty sure that not all other guns would have left the shooter (me in this case) with no injuries.

Aaaah.... I don't know about that one. I'm no expert, but Glock has quite the reputation for exploding and injuring the shooter. At one time, the chamber design of the Glock is what people were pointing fingers at. If my memory is correct, the chamber is slightly oversized to aid case extraction. Also, it is possible for a Glock to be fired out of battery, which causes a lot of problems too. I don't know, I'm not an expert. These are just some things I've read about. Who knows ?

ErikD · 02-07-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Moon

These are just some things I've read about. Who knows ?

I've read rumors of the same Moon. But sometimes I wonder if these rumors are based upon people being biased against them because they are "plastic", or if there is more genuine truth to them. In which case, I am surprised that so many military and LE agencies worldwide still use them.

ConTender Foot · 02-07-2011, 11:52 AM

I wish Sig chambered their 226 for 10mm. As for Glocks, I've only owned one. I bought a 22 just because I had so many people telling me how great they were that I wanted to see what I was missing. The first loads I ended up turning two pages at once in my Speer manual and used 10mm load data in 40 S&W rounds. After about 5 rounds, I looked at the brass and decided something was wrong. It held together but I figure it's the same gun as the 20 so it should. Anyway, the reason I got rid of it was because it shot about 3 feet low at 15 yards. I was told it was the way I was pulling the trigger. I didn't figure I needed to change the way I've been shooting all of my life to fit the gun so I got rid of it. Maybe I should have held it sideways.

I'm thinking about another Glock. Maybe a 29 or a 36. May just wait for the Sig 290's to come out.

Moon · 02-07-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ConTender Foot

Maybe I should have held it sideways.

hahahahaha

OSOK · 02-07-2011, 12:14 PM

REW, my feeding issues were with factory loads, and my handloads. Nothing to do with technique either as it would jam in rapid fire or slow fire with a firm hold - didn't matter. It was something to do with the mags I think - and I probably could have had a good smith fix it - or the factory for that matter. I did like the way it shot for sure - one of the easiest guns to double tap - very much like a 1911. Sure, it was heavy but the ergos were great.

I have a vid of me shooting it but I deleted it from youtube by mistake a while ago - I should download it again I guess.

xWalt · 02-07-2011, 10:22 PM

I have read too many stories about Glocks K-Booming to feel comfortable shooting my 27 anymore. The hell of it is that the gun has never failed to feed, fire or eject.

Rew · 02-07-2011, 10:44 PM

The Glock does not have a supported chamber in any chambering. The Wittness does. OSOK, I can't explane your problem, can just tell you I don't have the same one's.

OSOK · 02-08-2011, 05:09 PM

The Storm Lake SS drop-in replacement barrel that I got for shooting cast bullets is fully supported. I wonder why Glock doesn't get with the program?

2rogers · 02-08-2011, 08:28 PM

uummmmmm. seriously. a few boxes of original norma ammo through my 20 and it seemed much looser than it was when i bought it used. i'm speaking strictly of slide to frame fit. recoil spring keeps the whole assembly bound up tight unlike the 1911 types.
still havnt figured out why there used to be a bunch of "factory refurbished" glocks showed up at the gun shows a couple years ago. i suppose you can wear 1 out despite the hype if you use it enough. speaking of hype,,,,, can anyone tell me how to descibe a glocks trigger as anything besides " shitty, but usable" ?
look forward to trying an eaa product. the only other tanfoglio product i've owned was a sa p-9. long, crunchy DA stroke, but a single action dream. should have kept that 1 too, but anything that helped pay for a divorce from satan was worth selling.

aviator · 02-09-2011, 09:25 PM

I decided to research the Witness, I think I'll keep looking for a better gun. Here is what I found out: At about 2 thousand rounds they all seem to develop cracks on the frame and around the slide rails, factory service leaves a lot to be expected and so does the regional VP, his responses to inquires border on obnoxious to verbally abusive. I don't need that kind of aggravation.

Rew, carefully check yours around the rails and around the hammer area, very fine hairline cracks will develop there.

Rew · 02-13-2011, 05:56 AM

I checked both of them. No problems so far but I'll keep an eye on them.

Clark · 04-01-2011, 05:29 PM

The 10 is ok for those who shoot factory, believe load books, or respect SAAMI registered pressures.
But for the independent handloader, the 10 can not be loaded with as much power as the 40, and the 10 is WAY down from what the 45acp can do.

If there were small primer pocket 10mm brass available [WinClean seems unobtainable], there would be a tiny niche for the 10.

xWalt · 04-01-2011, 06:03 PM

I don't think you are correct here. How can a 40 be loaded hotter than a 10 if the case is so much smaller?

bounce · 04-01-2011, 06:10 PM

10 mm rupture:

02-07-2011, 09:11 AM	#31
ErikD Mzungu Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the land of socialist nepotism and corruption. Posts: 6,340	True, but I didn't have any pictures of a 10mm case rupture handy. Regardless, am I mistaken in thinking that the way the gun is designed, and thus the direction and way the gases are deflected, is the most important factor when this happens? I am pretty sure that not all other guns would have left the shooter (me in this case) with no injuries. __________________ ------------------------------------------- Cut along dotted line, discard top part.

02-07-2011, 11:52 AM	#34
ConTender Foot Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,234	I wish Sig chambered their 226 for 10mm. As for Glocks, I've only owned one. I bought a 22 just because I had so many people telling me how great they were that I wanted to see what I was missing. The first loads I ended up turning two pages at once in my Speer manual and used 10mm load data in 40 S&W rounds. After about 5 rounds, I looked at the brass and decided something was wrong. It held together but I figure it's the same gun as the 20 so it should. Anyway, the reason I got rid of it was because it shot about 3 feet low at 15 yards. I was told it was the way I was pulling the trigger. I didn't figure I needed to change the way I've been shooting all of my life to fit the gun so I got rid of it. Maybe I should have held it sideways. I'm thinking about another Glock. Maybe a 29 or a 36. May just wait for the Sig 290's to come out. __________________

02-07-2011, 12:14 PM	#36
OSOK Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 326	REW, my feeding issues were with factory loads, and my handloads. Nothing to do with technique either as it would jam in rapid fire or slow fire with a firm hold - didn't matter. It was something to do with the mags I think - and I probably could have had a good smith fix it - or the factory for that matter. I did like the way it shot for sure - one of the easiest guns to double tap - very much like a 1911. Sure, it was heavy but the ergos were great. I have a vid of me shooting it but I deleted it from youtube by mistake a while ago - I should download it again I guess. __________________ [FONT=Book Antiqua]"We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." Benjamin Franklin[/FONT] Nemo me impune lacessit

02-09-2011, 09:25 PM	#41
aviator unum de multis Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bunker's Headquarters. Posts: 52,379	I decided to research the Witness, I think I'll keep looking for a better gun. Here is what I found out: At about 2 thousand rounds they all seem to develop cracks on the frame and around the slide rails, factory service leaves a lot to be expected and so does the regional VP, his responses to inquires border on obnoxious to verbally abusive. I don't need that kind of aggravation. Rew, carefully check yours around the rails and around the hammer area, very fine hairline cracks will develop there. __________________ "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Pesident Ronald Reagan

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02-07-2011, 10:22 PM	#37
xWalt Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 875	I have read too many stories about Glocks K-Booming to feel comfortable shooting my 27 anymore. The hell of it is that the gun has never failed to feed, fire or eject.

02-07-2011, 10:44 PM	#38
Rew Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 9,710	The Glock does not have a supported chamber in any chambering. The Wittness does. OSOK, I can't explane your problem, can just tell you I don't have the same one's.

02-08-2011, 05:09 PM	#39
OSOK Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 326	The Storm Lake SS drop-in replacement barrel that I got for shooting cast bullets is fully supported. I wonder why Glock doesn't get with the program?

02-08-2011, 08:28 PM	#40
2rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,504	uummmmmm. seriously. a few boxes of original norma ammo through my 20 and it seemed much looser than it was when i bought it used. i'm speaking strictly of slide to frame fit. recoil spring keeps the whole assembly bound up tight unlike the 1911 types. still havnt figured out why there used to be a bunch of "factory refurbished" glocks showed up at the gun shows a couple years ago. i suppose you can wear 1 out despite the hype if you use it enough. speaking of hype,,,,, can anyone tell me how to descibe a glocks trigger as anything besides " shitty, but usable" ? look forward to trying an eaa product. the only other tanfoglio product i've owned was a sa p-9. long, crunchy DA stroke, but a single action dream. should have kept that 1 too, but anything that helped pay for a divorce from satan was worth selling.

02-13-2011, 05:56 AM	#42
Rew Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 9,710	I checked both of them. No problems so far but I'll keep an eye on them.

04-01-2011, 05:29 PM	#43
Clark Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	The 10 is ok for those who shoot factory, believe load books, or respect SAAMI registered pressures. But for the independent handloader, the 10 can not be loaded with as much power as the 40, and the 10 is WAY down from what the 45acp can do. If there were small primer pocket 10mm brass available [WinClean seems unobtainable], there would be a tiny niche for the 10.

04-01-2011, 06:03 PM	#44
xWalt Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 875	I don't think you are correct here. How can a 40 be loaded hotter than a 10 if the case is so much smaller?

04-01-2011, 06:10 PM	#45
bounce Senile Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 7310 ft .002 mach :N AZ Posts: 2,463	10 mm rupture: