Do Lugers suck? Not reliable? - Page 3

10 Bears · 01-30-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus

I truly like the way Luger's look.

I read a few were manufactured in 45ACP.

That I would go for.

I have one 9mm pistol I like.

The 9mm round sucks however. IMO

I've read many reports on German Luger failed action.

To many moving parts with potential to fail.

There were two .45 cal. Lugers produced for the US Army tests.
#1 was used for the tests and was practically worn out, when they were done.
#2 disappeared, and is often refered to as the $10million dollar Luger.
IF it is ever found.

There WAS a guy, in the USA who produced .45 cal. Lugers.
They were individually crafted.
Don't know what happened to his efforts.
I do know that there are some videos of him demonstrating them,
on You Tube.

Enforcer · 01-30-2014, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 Bears

There were two .45 cal. Lugers produced for the US Army tests.
#1 was used for the tests and was practically worn out, when they were done.
#2 disappeared, and is often refered to as the $10million dollar Luger.
IF it is ever found.

There WAS a guy, in the USA who produced .45 cal. Lugers.
They were individually crafted.
Don't know what happened to his efforts.
I do know that there are some videos of him demonstrating them,
on You Tube.

The surviving "million dollar" Luger from the Army tests sold for about $750,000 a few years ago. Apparently it was in a private collection for decades. Garry James of Guns & Ammo did a firing test with it in the late 90s.

The other 45 caliber Lugers were made by John Martz, a WWII veteran and a machinist at McClellan AFB in California. He would split two Lugers and build a larger frame and re-barrel in 45 ACP. Martz guns typically sell for about $5K to $10K. Martz also made 45 ACP P.38 pistols using the same method. He even produced some long barrel P.38s and If I remember correctly, some cut down pocket 45 cal P.38s. I assume he is no longer active a custom gunsmith.

Pvt.Joker · 01-31-2014, 01:21 AM

There was a guy at a table at the TN military collectors show last Thanksgiving that had a custom made stainless .45 Luger. Said he machined it himself. BIG freaking beast, compared to a "normal" one. Got to hold it and tried to trade into it, but someone there bought it for $8,000 is what I was told. No idea who it was, though.

As to "regular" Lugers, personally I love'em. I used one for a carry gun a few years ago, after I had shot it enough to be satisfied with it and the ammo I was using. It was a 1939 42, if I remember correctly. I would love to have another one and have been looking off and on for one of the modern stainless steel ones from the early 1990s, if I could find one at the right price.

rogertc1 · 01-31-2014, 06:22 AM

I've got a Michal Arms US made Stainless Steel Luger in my collection...pretty....I guess I could carry it to a barbecue. Now if dad would go and get a very collectable luger It would be an investment. Like this one:
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...a9f044baac0607

THIS IS MY LUGER HOWEVER NOT AS COLLECTABLE AS THE ABOVE LINK.

HorseSoldier176 · 01-31-2014, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gus

I truly like the way Luger's look.

I read a few were manufactured in 45ACP.

That I would go for.

I have one 9mm pistol I like.

The 9mm round sucks however. IMO

I've read many reports on German Luger failed action.

To many moving parts with potential to fail.

IIRC it was three, or five made by DWM to enter into the sidearm trials that ended up giving us the M-1911. The Lugers hardly got past the first set of tests, as they were to vulnerable to dirt/dust/mud, but the one that was entered into the 1000 round continuous fire test, failed very early on.

HorseSoldier176 · 01-31-2014, 01:34 PM

Not that this has anything to do with what I said yesterday, but, at least five DHS MRAPs went slowly down my street today. Didn't fully see the first one, as I had been sitting down, but when I saw the top of it, and the flashing lights, et al, I stood up, and four more went past in convoy.

All painted black, all had the word POLICE painted in white on the wall of the troop compartment, and the logo of DHS on the door. The first one I actually saw, completely, had a .50BMG on a ring mount, the second had a MK-19, and the last two had M-240 GPMGs.

Now what on God's green earth are they doing "patrolling" a peaceful small rural community?

It isn't like we have any riotous feral critters, or out of control tea party thugs around here!

...or could it just be getting the "natives" used to the sight of Imperial power?

DirtySteve · 01-31-2014, 04:58 PM

Damn! That sighting and your story about the Luger being seized sends chills up my spine. WTF could be afoot up there?

10 Bears · 01-31-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HorseSoldier176

Not that this has anything to do with what I said yesterday, but, at least five DHS MRAPs went slowly down my street today. Didn't fully see the first one, as I had been sitting down, but when I saw the top of it, and the flashing lights, et al, I stood up, and four more went past in convoy.

All painted black, all had the word POLICE painted in white on the wall of the troop compartment, and the logo of DHS on the door. The first one I actually saw, completely, had a .50BMG on a ring mount, the second had a MK-19, and the last two had M-240 GPMGs.

Now what on God's green earth are they doing "patrolling" a peaceful small rural community?

It isn't like we have any riotous feral critters, or out of control tea party thugs around here!

...or could it just be getting the "natives" used to the sight of Imperial power?

Latest report, "Acertaining the location of an individual with the handle of:
HS 176,
for further investigation.
Reputed to be 'armed and dangerous.'

HorseSoldier176 · 02-03-2014, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 Bears

Latest report, "Acertaining the location of an individual with the handle of:
HS 176,
for further investigation.
Reputed to be 'armed and dangerous.'

Not to mention an evil right winger, veteran, and willing to stand up for himself, and others!

10 Bears · 02-03-2014, 10:21 PM

robert garner · 03-09-2014, 10:33 AM

HS 176 That's the only reason I won't carry my '29 Swiss edc.
I've had that Interarms Luger since '74,in forty yrs. it's only failure I attribute to some South African 115 grn. ammo.
My '17 Artillery model failed repeatedly till I discovered that the trigger linkage had been improperly assembled,she is sweet.
That said I couldn't recommend others carry a Luger, most people wouldn't take the time or interest in learning their weapon, a major reason that professionals (HA) like the Glock, they run perfectly in ignorance and complacency witness the Glock Leg phenom, I've never heard of Luger Leg have you?
I would bet my life on the Luger.
robert

303tom · 03-10-2014, 08:32 PM

All I can say is take a Luger & a 1911 dunk em both in a bucket of mud & see which one will empty its mag.............The 1911 will !............That is why the US Army chose the .45 cal. 1911 over the .45 Luger, the 1911 is (simply) a better design..........

DirtySteve · 03-11-2014, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 303tom

All I can say is take a Luger & a 1911 dunk em both in a bucket of mud & see which one will empty its mag.............The 1911 will !............That is why the US Army chose the .45 cal. 1911 over the .45 Luger, the 1911 is (simply) a better design..........

500grains · 03-11-2014, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robert garner

HS 176 That's the only reason I won't carry my '29 Swiss edc.

What is HS 176?

HorseSoldier176 · 03-12-2014, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 500grains

What is HS 176?

176

01-31-2014, 01:21 AM	#33
Pvt.Joker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,984	There was a guy at a table at the TN military collectors show last Thanksgiving that had a custom made stainless .45 Luger. Said he machined it himself. BIG freaking beast, compared to a "normal" one. Got to hold it and tried to trade into it, but someone there bought it for $8,000 is what I was told. No idea who it was, though. As to "regular" Lugers, personally I love'em. I used one for a carry gun a few years ago, after I had shot it enough to be satisfied with it and the ammo I was using. It was a 1939 42, if I remember correctly. I would love to have another one and have been looking off and on for one of the modern stainless steel ones from the early 1990s, if I could find one at the right price. __________________ Will someone kindly tell me how in the fuck did we wake up one day all these years later and find ourselves living in an Ayn Rand novel?

01-31-2014, 06:22 AM	#34
rogertc1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,132	I've got a Michal Arms US made Stainless Steel Luger in my collection...pretty....I guess I could carry it to a barbecue. Now if dad would go and get a very collectable luger It would be an investment. Like this one: http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...a9f044baac0607 THIS IS MY LUGER HOWEVER NOT AS COLLECTABLE AS THE ABOVE LINK. __________________ I have been an addicted gun collector all my long life with a vault full of firearms all displayed.

03-09-2014, 10:33 AM	#41
robert garner Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: hard by the chattahoochee Posts: 1,054	HS 176 That's the only reason I won't carry my '29 Swiss edc. I've had that Interarms Luger since '74,in forty yrs. it's only failure I attribute to some South African 115 grn. ammo. My '17 Artillery model failed repeatedly till I discovered that the trigger linkage had been improperly assembled,she is sweet. That said I couldn't recommend others carry a Luger, most people wouldn't take the time or interest in learning their weapon, a major reason that professionals (HA) like the Glock, they run perfectly in ignorance and complacency witness the Glock Leg phenom, I've never heard of Luger Leg have you? I would bet my life on the Luger. robert __________________ 3%

01-31-2014, 01:34 PM	#36
HorseSoldier176 Retired Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Central PA Posts: 14,148	Not that this has anything to do with what I said yesterday, but, at least five DHS MRAPs went slowly down my street today. Didn't fully see the first one, as I had been sitting down, but when I saw the top of it, and the flashing lights, et al, I stood up, and four more went past in convoy. All painted black, all had the word POLICE painted in white on the wall of the troop compartment, and the logo of DHS on the door. The first one I actually saw, completely, had a .50BMG on a ring mount, the second had a MK-19, and the last two had M-240 GPMGs. Now what on God's green earth are they doing "patrolling" a peaceful small rural community? It isn't like we have any riotous feral critters, or out of control tea party thugs around here! ...or could it just be getting the "natives" used to the sight of Imperial power?

01-31-2014, 04:58 PM	#37
DirtySteve Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,798	Damn! That sighting and your story about the Luger being seized sends chills up my spine. WTF could be afoot up there?

02-03-2014, 10:21 PM	#40
10 Bears Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: E-Da-How Posts: 137,846

03-10-2014, 08:32 PM	#42
303tom Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Missouri Posts: 205	All I can say is take a Luger & a 1911 dunk em both in a bucket of mud & see which one will empty its mag.............The 1911 will !............That is why the US Army chose the .45 cal. 1911 over the .45 Luger, the 1911 is (simply) a better design..........