god damn it I want a gun and I'm broke - Page 3

Skuggi · 05-03-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SprklinWiggle

hardy har har assholes.

I MEANT, I want a light weight carry gun. I've got various colt 1911s and colt commander 45s. I WANT to try the polymer gig, and glock was recommended as a good gun or a springfield. I carry a colt commander 45 all the time, but that ****er aint happening when I go jogging. Weight is the name of the game

I agree 9mm sucks, but if I get 17 shots, shit I think i can make it work.

I'll stick with my 15 shots of .40S&W

Bulletboy · 05-03-2007, 03:59 PM

Folks LOVE to insult Glock! I'm not saying they are the greatest, but I have a fair amount of experience with them. For work, I had to carry a 17 for 4 years (and sometimes I still do), including using it in competition, and I had no complaints other than the following; The trigger SUCKS BALLS, so you replace a $19 dollar part, and its just fine. The guide rod is plastic, so you replace it with a steel or titanium one. If you find the plastic handle too slippery, you stick grip tape on there. They even make pre-cut pieces now. And if you get one without nightsights and you want them, you put em on.

That being said, theres tons of weapons that dont come with an ideal feeling trigger (most not as bad as glock though), and without night sights, even most 1911's come with those crappy plastic grips. I used to fire a couple thousand rounds through my 17 just about every weekend, and I dont remember a single jam. I DO remember a failure to feed, but only because I didnt seat the mag all the way.

All I'm saying is, in my opinion, the major things that make a shitty weapon are; inaccuracy, premature wear, inconsistency/jamming, and inability to function under adverse condtions. There are other factors, but not as important as those, and I have never seen a Glock fail in any of those areas. Now that my Glock defense is over, I'm sure I'll get a shitstorm for that, but oh well, it is what it is.

Here's what I think about it as a lightweight carry gun; It isnt. I haven't weighed them, but I figure a 17 with a full 17 rd mag weighs almost the same as a 1911. If it was me I'd go with a KelTec for jogging. JMHO

HorseSoldier176 · 05-03-2007, 04:58 PM

I'll agree with bullet on this. If you are looking for a carry piece for walking/jogging, I think the Kel Tec P-11 in 9mmP is your best bet. It is small, light weight, but packs enough punch in a pinch. In a situation like that, you are not trying to stand toe, to toe with the dirtbags, you are trying to dissuade them enough to allow you to escape alive, and call the cops.

HorseSoldier176 · 05-03-2007, 04:59 PM

Oh BTW Bullet, I will not pile on you for your defense of Glock, I happen to agree with most of your points, but I still prefer a 1911 as the best sidearm, but that is just me.

Bulletboy · 05-03-2007, 05:03 PM

OH no doubt Horse, I would have preferred to carry my 1911 for work, but we were required to use the Glocks on account of having interchangeable mags and ammo.

nutinauniversalshell · 05-04-2007, 10:34 PM

could always get a S&W. Mine are AWESOME!!! and older style.

Sanders · 05-05-2007, 01:34 PM

I like to insult Glocks just because Glock fans get so worked up over it. It's like they feel inferior to 1911 and Sig owners or something.

A 1911 owner has 100 years of history on their side and doesn't need to constantly sing the praises of the pistol that has fought in 2 world wars, "police" actions, and has been the standard for bullseye shooting and practical pistol sports since they were founded...

DorGunR · 05-05-2007, 02:10 PM

The main reason I don't own a Glock is because I can't skateboard.

gunnysmith · 05-05-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DorGunR

The main reason I don't own a Glock is because I can't skateboard.

Noooo!!!!!!!!!!! Tell me it ain't so

Cephus · 05-06-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DorGunR

The main reason I don't own a Glock is because I can't skateboard.

I'll teach ya right after ya get the inline shating down pat !!!!

NCshooter26 · 05-06-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DorGunR

The main reason I don't own a Glock is because I can't skateboard.

I was wondering when I'd see that.

I think you'd be better off with the kel-tec if you really want it for carry. It's a hell of a lot smaller than the glocks, even the sub compacts, and you still have ten rounds of 9mm. That'll at least get you back to the truck to get a real weapon.

HorseSoldier176 · 05-06-2007, 03:32 PM

I can't skateboard, roller blade, or even roller skate, but I can shoot. I have a Glock, because the price was right, and it is a decent stop gap weapon. I would not want to have to carry it in serious combat, but for getting groceries it is adequate.

I don't knock 9mmP because it is underpowered, after all, I own more 9mmP pistols than anything else, but it is underpowered compared to .45 ACP, and I own no .40 S&W, as I don't see enough improvement over 9mmP to justify having an interim round between 9mmP, and .45ACP. I don't find anything to be good enough at stopping to beat the .45ACP. Yes, there are other rounds that have similar, or even superior performance, but not enough better, in my experience to justify buying a whole new weapon, dies, bullets, etc, etc.

I am not big on wheel guns for carry weapons, as even the most experienced shooter is likely to cap off two, or three in an unexpected firefight before they settle down to take aimed shoots. With a wheel gun, you have wasted 1/3, to 1/2 your cylinders capacity, and the fight has hardly begun. In the winter, when you are wearing enough extra clothing, and have the extra pockets, you can carry plenty of extra ammo, but in the summer, I usually only have the mag in the weapon, and maybe a second. Not long duration in a firefight with that situation.

SprklinWiggle · 05-10-2007, 08:02 PM

Bought a glock 19, 3rd gen. Used, 200rds through it, $380. I'm happy, damn glock haters. Im impressed with it.

Cephus · 05-10-2007, 08:04 PM

As long as it makes you happy it just tickles the shit out me !!!!

SprklinWiggle · 05-10-2007, 10:13 PM

Well that is just great. Glocks are great. Lets wear flowers in our hair and join the peace corp.......

05-03-2007, 03:59 PM	#32
Bulletboy Troubleshooter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wa. Posts: 3,369	Folks LOVE to insult Glock! I'm not saying they are the greatest, but I have a fair amount of experience with them. For work, I had to carry a 17 for 4 years (and sometimes I still do), including using it in competition, and I had no complaints other than the following; The trigger SUCKS BALLS, so you replace a $19 dollar part, and its just fine. The guide rod is plastic, so you replace it with a steel or titanium one. If you find the plastic handle too slippery, you stick grip tape on there. They even make pre-cut pieces now. And if you get one without nightsights and you want them, you put em on. That being said, theres tons of weapons that dont come with an ideal feeling trigger (most not as bad as glock though), and without night sights, even most 1911's come with those crappy plastic grips. I used to fire a couple thousand rounds through my 17 just about every weekend, and I dont remember a single jam. I DO remember a failure to feed, but only because I didnt seat the mag all the way. All I'm saying is, in my opinion, the major things that make a shitty weapon are; inaccuracy, premature wear, inconsistency/jamming, and inability to function under adverse condtions. There are other factors, but not as important as those, and I have never seen a Glock fail in any of those areas. Now that my Glock defense is over, I'm sure I'll get a shitstorm for that, but oh well, it is what it is. Here's what I think about it as a lightweight carry gun; It isnt. I haven't weighed them, but I figure a 17 with a full 17 rd mag weighs almost the same as a 1911. If it was me I'd go with a KelTec for jogging. JMHO __________________ Veritas et Aequitas WWHBD? (What Would Henry Bowman Do?)

05-03-2007, 04:58 PM	#33
HorseSoldier176 Retired Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Central PA Posts: 14,148	I'll agree with bullet on this. If you are looking for a carry piece for walking/jogging, I think the Kel Tec P-11 in 9mmP is your best bet. It is small, light weight, but packs enough punch in a pinch. In a situation like that, you are not trying to stand toe, to toe with the dirtbags, you are trying to dissuade them enough to allow you to escape alive, and call the cops. __________________ Free citizens are armed citizens, but only armed citizens are truly free! Bruce R. Gadbois 2008

05-04-2007, 10:34 PM	#36
nutinauniversalshell Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: TN Posts: 1,238	could always get a S&W. Mine are AWESOME!!! and older style. __________________ If you can't buy it build it. If you can't build it buy two.

05-05-2007, 01:34 PM	#37
Sanders Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 66,557	I like to insult Glocks just because Glock fans get so worked up over it. It's like they feel inferior to 1911 and Sig owners or something. A 1911 owner has 100 years of history on their side and doesn't need to constantly sing the praises of the pistol that has fought in 2 world wars, "police" actions, and has been the standard for bullseye shooting and practical pistol sports since they were founded... __________________ "The truly dangerous man dresses inconspicuously and is soft- spoken. He walks away from most confrontations. The only time you learn that the truly dangerous man is mad at you is a split second before you die, for he never fights. He only kills. The truly dangerous man knows that fighting is what children do and killing is what men do." - Charley Reese 1986 3

05-10-2007, 08:02 PM	#43
SprklinWiggle Cocaine in a can baby Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 44	Bought a glock 19, 3rd gen. Used, 200rds through it, $380. I'm happy, damn glock haters. Im impressed with it. __________________ You do not tell me damn right, fucking guy! http://www.bootstrike.com/LaughterHe...ed/kick12.html

05-03-2007, 04:59 PM	#34
HorseSoldier176 Retired Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Central PA Posts: 14,148	Oh BTW Bullet, I will not pile on you for your defense of Glock, I happen to agree with most of your points, but I still prefer a 1911 as the best sidearm, but that is just me.

05-03-2007, 05:03 PM	#35
Bulletboy Troubleshooter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wa. Posts: 3,369	OH no doubt Horse, I would have preferred to carry my 1911 for work, but we were required to use the Glocks on account of having interchangeable mags and ammo.

05-05-2007, 02:10 PM	#38
DorGunR Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 30,905	The main reason I don't own a Glock is because I can't skateboard.

05-06-2007, 03:32 PM	#42
HorseSoldier176 Retired Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Central PA Posts: 14,148	I can't skateboard, roller blade, or even roller skate, but I can shoot. I have a Glock, because the price was right, and it is a decent stop gap weapon. I would not want to have to carry it in serious combat, but for getting groceries it is adequate. I don't knock 9mmP because it is underpowered, after all, I own more 9mmP pistols than anything else, but it is underpowered compared to .45 ACP, and I own no .40 S&W, as I don't see enough improvement over 9mmP to justify having an interim round between 9mmP, and .45ACP. I don't find anything to be good enough at stopping to beat the .45ACP. Yes, there are other rounds that have similar, or even superior performance, but not enough better, in my experience to justify buying a whole new weapon, dies, bullets, etc, etc. I am not big on wheel guns for carry weapons, as even the most experienced shooter is likely to cap off two, or three in an unexpected firefight before they settle down to take aimed shoots. With a wheel gun, you have wasted 1/3, to 1/2 your cylinders capacity, and the fight has hardly begun. In the winter, when you are wearing enough extra clothing, and have the extra pockets, you can carry plenty of extra ammo, but in the summer, I usually only have the mag in the weapon, and maybe a second. Not long duration in a firefight with that situation.

05-10-2007, 08:04 PM	#44
Cephus The OLD COOT one and only Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Glovers Gap WV Posts: 10,277	As long as it makes you happy it just tickles the shit out me !!!!

05-10-2007, 10:13 PM	#45
SprklinWiggle Cocaine in a can baby Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 44	Well that is just great. Glocks are great. Lets wear flowers in our hair and join the peace corp.......