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Old 04-24-2008, 10:59 PM   #16
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... I put the flat mainspring housing and standard grips on my 1911 yesterday. I fell in love with it all over again! It fits my hand finally. The fool that came up with arched housings needed a swift kick to the nutsack.
Ummm, ....

Counting to ten slowly. ....

Okay, I'm calm now.
Used as a close range defensive weapon, (what it was designed for) the 1911A1 had the arched mainspring added for several reasons. Keeping the length of pull the same while allowing more room in the trigger guard was part of it.

Take a 1911 (flat housing) and use it as you would in a defensive situation, convulsive grip and 'punching' your target you'll find that you shoot low, raised from a proper low ready position you will still shoot low, lowered from a TV/Hollywood raised ready position you will shoot even lower.

The arched mainspring housing goes a long way toward fixing that, (but it'll still shoot too low if dropped from the high (45% or so) ready position.

More than a few Japanese Officers waving their "sacred" swords found that out the hard way with some of their night "Banzai" attacks back in the forties. Per Col Cooper, the common score was 'Samauri' sword Zero "Yankee Hammer" 10, when they met at at 5,10 and 15 yards ... in the dark.

Do whatever you want to one for the target range or the display case, but if your using it for Self Defense, leave the arched housing on it, you'll be glad you did if you ever really need it. (their are a few folks making narrower. slimmer grips if it's a hand size issue.)

Helps to remember the 1911A1 was developed primarily for Horse Cavalry, lot more pointing than aiming going on there.

It speaks volumes to the excellence of the design that it has served so well in other capacities, but it was still designed to make a series of large holes in humans at less than 50 feet. And to do it in a hurry.

To get proficient, I'd suggest a minimum of 300 rounds per week (500 would be way better and there is no upper limit) of mixed practice, aimed and point shooting. two handed and one handed, and don't neglect the "weak" hand, astonishing how often the gun hand is wounded in real life shootings, folks concentrate on the threat it seems.

A couple of years at that rate would leave a fellow pretty handy with his .45. Have to add an hour or two a day of dry fire, draw and 'presentation' practice to that.

In a real situation what with tachypsyche, tunnel vision, loss of fine motor control, hearing shutdown etc. the consensus seems to be that the best person will lose 70% of his/her ability.

That sorta suggests that a persons worst rapid fire score is about the best he might hope for in a real life confrontation. And such a confrontation if and when sure as hell will be rapid fire, average civilian shootings occur at less than 7 feet, police shootings at less than 21 feet, (because they're taught to fire at 21 feet when possible).

Those happen to be "point" distances, NOT carefully aimed target shots with perfect stance and sight pictures. Pistol has to point like it is your finger.

Sobering thought, or it should be.

Always encourage everyone to find a copy of Col Applegates "Kill or Get Killed", read it and ponder on what he's teaching, it's worked well in practice for just about 70 years.

As always, JMHO ... But I'm right!

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Old 04-25-2008, 02:44 PM   #17
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Yes you are right. The arched main spring housing makes a difference. I like the flat housing on the range, but when point shooting (aka firing from the hip) the arched housing makes a world of difference. When ya get to where you can walk a can UP the berm from the hip you get to like the arched housing.
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Old 04-25-2008, 11:18 PM   #18
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Ccw class is tomorrow morning, will get a chance to see difference in action. Hope CDNN has ultra-slims in next month. Been noticing dip in front sight just handling pistol. Same for the Tokarev. Wish I would have just not bought grips for Tok, it actually fits my hand better without grips. Is that an option with the 1911a1? If not who else has ultra-slims?
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Old 04-26-2008, 01:03 AM   #19
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Always a good starting place at:

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...&ps=10&si=True

That company making aluminum grips has a good looking product a lot of people think. Only complaint I'vr heard is that being metal they are of course "Cold", sorry I forget the name but I believe they have the thinner grip panels also.

Actually anyone making grip panels for the 1911's should have the thin ones in their line up. Lots of folka prefer them. the thinner panels help a little bit with the concealment issues too.

Probably have to order them, don't believe I've ever seen a pair of thin panels in a gun store, not in thirty or forty years anyhow.

Edited to add: You will need different grip screws for the thinner grips, the hex head ones Brownell's sells are nice.

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Old 04-27-2008, 05:58 PM   #20
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Thank you, the grips from CDNN are only $20 and come with screws and bushings. I think I'll try them. "Cold" grips seem fitting, I don't expect to be having warm and fuzzy feelings just then.
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Always encourage everyone to find a copy of Col Applegates "Kill or Get Killed", read it and ponder on what he's teaching, it's worked well in practice for just about 70 years.
+1 to that bit & everything else you said.

Fairbairn's "Shoot to Live" is also time proven.
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Old 04-28-2008, 10:41 AM   #22
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... Fairbairn's "Shoot to Live" is also time proven.
Indeed it is, Applegates original inspiration was from Fairbairn, IIRC.

Real world experience with the Shanghai Police in what was (at the time) probably the most dangerous city on earth for LE types.

Didn't mention it here because Fairbairns book seems to be quite a bit harder to find than Applegates, here in the states anyhow.

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Old 04-28-2008, 04:03 PM   #23
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Got the spring in the mail just now, old one was broke in two places. God I love thieves.

Put it together, grip safety worked. Wouldn't cock, put it in wrong
Now I'm going to try to find photo for pornographically explicit image of placement of "fingers".

Feeling like genius for the Gumpteenth time.
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