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Old 07-24-2007, 10:09 AM   #16
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...these days it would be on Romanian kits.

That might not be good. I've had 'hardness' issues with Romanian bolt carriers in the past.

In the event I get ready to do this, I'll contact you with a request for pricing based on a Polish kit.

In the meantime, I'm trying to talk a buddy out of what he claims to be a Russian kit.

Stay tuned.
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Ah,...finally something I can comment on where I feel,..Knowledgeable?

Early Imported Pre-Ban AKs.

The Kalashnikov Rifles used in the movie "Red Dawn" (MGM 1984) were Egyptian Maadi Company for Engineering Industries' ARMs (Automatic Rifle Misr) imported in by the U.S. division of Steyer-Daimler-Puch in Secaucus, NJ.

As the Russians were up the Egyptians ASSes in the late 50's and on into the 60's, they shared everything with their NEW FRIENDS from social and civil engineering expertise to all forms of weapons technology. The AKMs were a prime example.

One of the Russian factories,..I think it was Tula,..showed no production of AKM supplied to Soviet Military, say in,.. say 1973?...I think it was?...because all parts produced there were sold to?....WHO?

There is more speculation surrounding the actual "geneology" of these Egyptian AKMs than can be discussed in a post on a forum, so I'll leave you to some source links and to some searching if you are truly interested.

Long Mountain Outfitters' Website about the "Red Dawn" Rifles!

Suffice it to say they are either rifles assembled from Russian produced parts, a mixture of some Soviet parts and Egyptian parts, or wholly maybe Egyptian? Nah,..thats Arab pride talking. Russian parts is what I see. Tough call. The pattern of the parts used suggests earlier AKM lineage. As a business/history buff and an AK collector, shooter, and a vendor back into the early 1980's, I have concockted my own version of the events that led to these AK rifles finally making an appearance here in the USA.

I have owned many many Pre-Ban Maadis. At one time I owned Serial #0007, that I sold to my old pal and well known Assault Rifle "ninja" Gene G. back in 1989 when the shit first hit the fan about Assault Rifles. I recently aquired another one, a run of the mill late example.

Sooooo,...the best (closest at reasonable price) way to go to make a worthwhile "Red Dawn Clone"?.....

1) Polish AKMS kit,....for basic rifle parts as they are Russian Pattern AKMs. Prefer earlier made ones without "Bump Snoot" gas blocks. Romanian AIM for a base,...nah.

2) Romanian LAMINATED Furniture,....(NOT POLISH,...wrong color GLUE between lams) reworked to Egyptian shape and coated with chipable old ORANGE/BROWN SHELLAC (not some too durable Poly-resin in that Russian Red) fitted on a Romy straight stock trunnion.

Russian Dark Red or Egyptian Mud Brown plastic grip,..not Polish (too fat) or Romanian (wrong checkering) grip.

Magazine,..European steel ribbed. (I like RUSSIAN RED Poly Mags in AKMs,...but that would not be "Red Dawn" correct).

Receiver?....Jimmy's or NoDak's,...anything with markings on the BOTTOM!....hello GREG?

A little trunnion "marking" magic from the "Dinque", and some magic hand engraving from someone like ..."me".... to put the Pharoh's head dress on one side of the sight block, and the Arsenal marks on the other,..squirt som REAL SHINY BLACK Norrell's MOLY-COAT,....and VOILA!

Say,...RED DAWN!



PS,...I'll chew with "Dow" on feasability.

I'll concur with this up to the point that you're going for looks.

The Egyptian head is not important because you can't see that on the film.

The correct "color" for the laminated wood is, of course, important. Other than that, a good, properly hardened set of parts from the kit is paramount.

That is, I wouldn't trust a Romanian kit, and I would be hesitant about anything but an early Egyptian.

Polish? fine.

Hungarian? fine.

Russian? Priceless.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:14 AM   #18
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I'll concur with this up to the point that you're going for looks.

The Egyptian head is not important because you can't see that on the film.

The correct "color" for the laminated wood is, of course, important. Other than that, a good, properly hardened set of parts from the kit is paramount.

That is, I wouldn't trust a Romanian kit, and I would be hesitant about anything but an early Egyptian.

Polish? fine.

Hungarian? fine.

Russian? Priceless.
I hear ya Bratha,...I hear ya!

But,...in a clone, LOOKS are all we have to look at!

Take them "Ladies" that you are the KING of presenting so often, and from the bottom of my genitals I DO THANK YOU for YOUR QUALITY "SOFT SHOTS", ...LOOKS are ALL we have to look at.

Instead of PHAROAH's Pschent Crown (a Deshret "red crown"/Hedjet "white crown" combination),..hows 'bout a "Cleopatra Head"?



Yeah,..CLEOPATRA HEAD!
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Thugs?....Chas Echo and the Bug?,...ect, ect?

century?

You got it, but the V instead of the Bug.
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Well...what do you think? Should I bang out some of these?
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:31 PM   #23
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I would LOVE to see a member build one of these with a NDS "premo" russian style receiver, have Cyrillic selector marking engraved and maybe get some beautiful birch russian AKM wood to finish it off.
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I think you should make a couple of them. I bet they'd sell real fast, and at a premium, too.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:29 PM   #25
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Ive just accidentaly got the wood color of the red dawn AK IMO. I was looking for the Russian red color, but not all of the stain soaked in, and there is BLO already in the stock. Those two things gave me that color.
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Wow. I just found this thread.

YOu're right. That's a maadi in the film. Oddly enough I got a romanian last year that looks exactly like that.
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I should point out up front that I'm not ready to make a decision right this minute, but this is one firearm I've always wanted.

Arsenal Inc was supposed to introduce their AKM some time this year. Supposedly they are not going to introduce it anytime soon according to one post on K-VAR's forum.

Can you manufacture the AK in the pic? If so, how much? I think other members might be interested in the 'Red Dawn' AK as well.


Building three of THESE...right now. WITH brand new Russian/Soviet Army slings. (In semiauto-only )
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Default RED DAWN AKM's for sale.

Here ya go....Presenting: "RED DAWN."

WOW! SOLD!


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=128093103






Looks like I will have to put the other ones together that are all painted and ready to go...


Whadda ya think? Russian Laminated birch pistol grip...or the brown bakelite Russian style?
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Default RED DAWN for sale 03-11-2011

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=219797401

SOLD
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